# Pastebin zuFrxskv
11:27 AM <~barredowl> okay, so first impressions?
11:28 AM <BlueJones> I liked this, this certainly sparked curiosity within me to keep reading
11:28 AM <~barredowl> i, for one, really liked the tone set up in this piece. thought it was well-executed and had a nice sense of escalation
11:28 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah, the actual writing is really nicely evocative here
11:28 AM <~barredowl> there were a lot of details, though, that i think were kinda lost on me.
11:28 AM <+cybersqyd> mm
11:28 AM <~barredowl> but idk
11:29 AM <~barredowl> think that might be the point
11:29 AM <+cybersqyd> it kinda feels...a touch disconnected?
11:29 AM <+cybersqyd> On some level it's meant to but like...it feels too much so?
11:29 AM <~barredowl> yeah, some details are left i'd say a little too unexplained?
11:30 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah
11:30 AM <BlueJones> Mhm i feel that
11:30 AM <~barredowl> but i myself don't really have a problem with that so idk
11:31 AM <~barredowl> there's not really anything concretely lacking, though, that i can't attribute to contributing to the overall cryptic tone
11:31 AM <~barredowl> at least, what i can think of right now
11:31 AM <+DrAkimoto> Its well written, and has enough intrigue to keep me reading through. But at the end I really don't know anymore than I did with the description. Idk if that's my own fault or the writings, or both
11:31 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah, I find myself agreeing with Aki
11:32 AM <+cybersqyd> it has this really nice cryptic feel to it; but it doesn't feel like there's enough here to really get what's going on?
11:32 AM <~barredowl> yeah i do kinda leave this piece thinking "what's the point?" there are a lot of points where the cryptic nature of this just left me feeling a little confused.
11:32 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah
11:32 AM <BlueJones> Like i said, i enjoyed this. The exploration log was well written but i was a tad confused when command said they were seeing the same things the d-class was "supposed" to be seeing. Although i might have missed a detail during my first read
11:33 AM <+cybersqyd> I believe it's to emphasise that like, early on the two are seeing the same things
11:33 AM <+cybersqyd> but there comes a point where they aren't
11:33 AM <~barredowl> and then there's the whole greek-letter alpha business
11:33 AM <+cybersqyd> I think at some point, something replaces D-11339, and possibly Ψ-Alpha is the actual D-Class here?
11:34 AM <~barredowl> which i thought was suitable creepy
11:34 AM <+cybersqyd> actually that's a weird designation when you think of it
11:34 AM <+cybersqyd> since both Psi and Alpha are greek letters
11:34 AM <+cybersqyd> so it feels weird to write one as the letter and one as the word?
11:35 AM <~barredowl> alpha is a nato alphabet designation
11:35 AM <+cybersqyd> true
11:35 AM <BlueJones> I was a bit confused about that greek letter alpha which made me feel like i missed a thing
11:35 AM <~barredowl> though it is spelled alfa i believ
11:35 AM <~barredowl> *believe
11:35 AM <+cybersqyd> Yeah; I know my first time through I stopped and went back to see if I missed something
11:35 AM <+cybersqyd> but it's...just a thing that happens and isn't well explained?
11:35 AM <+DrAkimoto> I did as well
11:36 AM <~barredowl> yeah
11:36 AM <+cybersqyd> ...i say 'isn't well explained' but I don't think that's necessarily a fault here/
11:36 AM <~barredowl> i did feel like i understood things a little better than from last time i read it thoug
11:36 AM <~barredowl> *though
11:36 AM <+DrAkimoto> Yeah the "clueless mystery" isn't uncommon on site and I think really comes down to personal preference
11:37 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah
11:37 AM <~barredowl> hmm
11:37 AM <+cybersqyd> I find myself torn here between whether it's too clueless or not?
11:37 AM <+cybersqyd> it really reminds me of SCP-3333 a lot too
11:38 AM <+DrAkimoto> Scp-3333
11:38 AM <@Secretary_Helen> DrAkimoto: SCP-3333: Tower (Rating: +805. Written 3 years ago By: Jekeled) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3333
11:38 AM <~barredowl> yeah it kinda did remind me of that piece a little
11:38 AM <+DrAkimoto> Gotcha
11:38 AM <~barredowl> i think i got a very clear mental image of what this place looks like though
11:38 AM <+cybersqyd> hm
11:38 AM <~barredowl> damp, uncomfortable, brackish
11:38 AM <+cybersqyd> In some respects, yeah
11:38 AM <~barredowl> idk
11:38 AM <+cybersqyd> I found it hard to visualise at times?
11:39 AM <BlueJones> It was good to visualise this piece, cause it was nicely described but also adding more to the vividness of the visualsation
11:39 AM <~barredowl> i can see that
11:39 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah
11:39 AM <~barredowl> see i really don't know what else to say about this
11:40 AM <~barredowl> i think it's short and sweet and doesn't really overstay its welcome
11:40 AM <+DrAkimoto> I have a note for red3 tho
11:40 AM <+DrAkimoto> Before I forget
11:40 AM <red3> Yeah?
11:40 AM <+DrAkimoto> > Monthly expeditions into SCP-4862 are to be made in order to record any topographical abnormalities present in SCP-4862. 
11:40 AM <+DrAkimoto> Maybe rephrase this so you don't have 2 scp-4862's in I the sentence 
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11:41 AM <red3> Yeah, I noticed that now.
11:41 AM <red3> *notice
11:41 AM <+cybersqyd> You could easily just cut the first 'into SCP-4862' I think
11:41 AM <+DrAkimoto> Yeah that would work
11:42 AM <+cybersqyd> hm
11:42 AM <+cybersqyd> you know, I think I kinda like this?
11:42 AM <~barredowl> yeah me too
11:43 AM <~barredowl> i think it's a piece which does a lot in atmosphere but in some regions of substance is somewhat lacking
11:43 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah
11:43 AM <~barredowl> that would be my thesis statement on this piece were i to review it
11:44 AM <~barredowl> i'm still kinda baffled over the "SCP-4862 doesn't exist" stuff
11:44 AM <~barredowl> don't really know how to explain that
11:45 AM <~barredowl> yeah i'm unsure on that front
11:45 AM <+cybersqyd> hm
11:45 AM <+cybersqyd> i think this is a place that doesn't exist that, for whatever reason, wants to be explored?
11:45 AM <BlueJones> I assume its to throw off  people looking for this kind of anomaly? Or to make sure foundation resources dont get allocated to this site? Or what sqyd said
11:46 AM <~barredowl> maybe
11:46 AM <+cybersqyd> perhaps because it feeds off the people who enter? or at least, grow as it traps them inside
11:46 AM <+cybersqyd> and so it talks about the Foundation sending people in deliberately to encourage them to try
11:47 AM <+cybersqyd> or perhaps it feeds more off folk trying to figure out what's happening?
11:47 AM <+cybersqyd> iunno.
11:47 AM <~barredowl> maybe
11:47 AM <+cybersqyd> it doesn't quite feel like there's enough here to like...really speculate in any specific direction?
11:47 AM <~barredowl> yep
11:47 AM <+cybersqyd> which, i think, is the greatest weakness of the piece?
11:47 AM <~barredowl> i would definitely agree there
11:48 AM <+cybersqyd> like I don't think it should give us all the answers, or even some, but I do think it should hint towards what they may be
11:48 AM <~barredowl> there are a lot of things to speculate on (what is phi-alpha? why does this thing not exist?) but there really isn't any evidence or anything to really support and you're kinda just left guessing
11:48 AM <+cybersqyd> red3: is there like, a canonical explanation of what's going on here btw? or do you not actually know?
11:48 AM <~barredowl> i don't think we should ask.
11:48 AM <~barredowl> we don't really get to ask other authors whose work we talk about, so idk if we should do it here
11:49 AM <+cybersqyd> i'm not looking to find out what the explanation is; just whether it does exist
11:49 AM <+cybersqyd> and imo, if we have the opportunity to let the author talk about their work, we should let them?
11:49 AM <~barredowl> maybe
11:49 AM <~barredowl> i think that could be fruitful
11:49 AM <red3> Yeah, I'm agreeing with Cyber a little bit here, now that I think about it.
11:49 AM <SharpEmbrace> yes 
11:50 AM <red3> I will say that, while writing this, there was a definite explanation to everything, but as I'm rereading this, I realize that I didn't really go through and develop a lot of the plot points. There is enough there from what I can see to make an accurate explanation, but I'd say it's near the same level as Abwesenheit's explanation.
11:51 AM <+cybersqyd> fair
11:53 AM <~barredowl> so i think i've mostly summarized what i think of this
11:53 AM <~barredowl> but i don't know about y'all
11:53 AM <~barredowl> do you have anything more you want to put out there/
11:53 AM <~barredowl> *?
11:53 AM <+cybersqyd> I don't
11:53 AM <SharpEmbrace> bit late, but here are my thoughts: heavy atmosphere; lacking in pay-off
11:53 AM <~barredowl> my sentiment to a T, i'd say
11:53 AM <BlueJones> Nothing more from me here aside from good exploration log; needs a bit more detail
11:54 AM <SharpEmbrace> it's got a nice cryptic feel, but not much besides that
11:54 AM <red3> I find Owl's statement about it to be very accurate to how I feel and how others apparently feel about it. High in atmosphere, low in substance.
11:55 AM <SharpEmbrace> there's no point at which the madness becomes *just* methodical enough to scare me
11:56 AM <~barredowl> i think it just crosses that threshold for me to enjoy this
11:57 AM <~barredowl> so yeah, overall i'd say this was an upvote for me. it's almost lacking enough for me to not give it a +1, but i generally really liked the atmosphere put forward with this piece.
11:58 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah that's kinda how I feel here.
11:58 AM <BlueJones> Same here
11:58 AM <~barredowl> so
11:58 AM <SharpEmbrace> I'm gonna say that's not enough for me.
11:58 AM <~barredowl> do you think we should call a break real quick?
11:58 AM <BlueJones> Yepyepyep
11:59 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah