# Pastebin o6B5oZwp
<•barredowl> so, do you think we should start with our first impressions?
12:12 PM <•barredowl> i thought the tone in this was executed very well
12:13 PM <•barredowl> very much felt like i was exploring this abandoned structure
12:13 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:13 PM <red3> There's some excellent imagery in here which manages to give me a perfect picture of what the silo is like while still keeping a clinical tone.
12:13 PM → •DrAkimoto (voiced) joined  
12:13 PM <•barredowl> yeah, ARD is very good at clinical tone from what i've seen
12:13 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:13 PM <•barredowl> oh hi Aki!
12:13 PM <•cybersqyd> ARD is just generally a good writer
12:13 PM <•barredowl> we've begun talking about
12:13 PM <•barredowl> SCP-3220
12:13 PM <•Secretary_Helen> barredowl: SCP-3220: Panopticon II (Rating: +243. Written 1 year ago By: A Random Day) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3220
12:13 PM <•barredowl> ^ this article
12:14 PM <•cybersqyd> this article is really nicely put together
12:14 PM <•DrAkimoto> Hola, I was planting stuff, ill catch up once I've cleaned 
12:14 PM <•barredowl> i find it kind of amusing that a panopticon works for this kind of anomaly
12:14 PM <•cybersqyd> but if i had to say how i feel, it'd be that it feels...like it's missing something?
12:14 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:14 PM <•cybersqyd> i love that
12:14 PM <red3> There's also some incredibly subtle story beats with the "all but one of the cells" being placed first, marking its importance, which leads directly into the addendum. You can almost see how the timeline of events lines up with the person in the watchtower climbing down a latter when one of the statues breaks out, ultimately snapping his neck.
12:14 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:14 PM <•barredowl> the tone on this is kinda dangling in a really nice spot between comedy and horror
12:14 PM <red3> Although, it only really works on a second read-through when a person realizes that this is talking about 173.
12:14 PM <•barredowl> there isn't a lot of horror elements really, tbh
12:14 PM <red3> barredowl: I don't see the comedy here.
12:14 PM <•barredowl> just a kinda... quiet piece
12:15 PM <•cybersqyd> it's unsettling, i think
12:15 PM <•barredowl> yeah, there really isn't comedy
12:15 PM <•cybersqyd> not like, quite full on horror
12:15 PM <•barredowl> idk why i said that
12:15 PM <•cybersqyd> but like, it's walking up to being horror
12:15 PM <•barredowl> maybe cause i found some of the things a little mildly amusing
12:15 PM <•barredowl> but idk
12:15 PM <red3> Ah, like a kind of serene, bordering on boring feeling?
12:16 PM <•barredowl> it's just a very... empty piece, and in the best way
12:16 PM <•cybersqyd> hm
12:16 PM <red3> I can feel that.
12:16 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah, it's sort of atmospheric in an interesting way
12:17 PM <•cybersqyd> the angle that it's not so much watching as the idea of being watched that's important is fun: it seems to imply 173 could be stopped by like, a scarecrow as long as it believed the scarecrow was watching it
12:18 PM <•barredowl> it really expands on that initial idea of "line of sight"
12:18 PM <red3> The only stylistic change I would make is the one line about the "Department of Abnormalities" being bolted to the thing in Japanese, which is a little unnecessary since this thing was built in Japan.
12:18 PM <•cybersqyd> ehh
12:18 PM <•barredowl> like, on its own, from the original article "line of sight" isn't elaborated on in an interesting way (not that it had to)
12:18 PM <•barredowl> red3: i think it gives a feel that this is some international force
12:18 PM <•cybersqyd> i think if it didn't specify in Japanese, it'd be implied to be in English because it's written in english
12:18 PM <•barredowl> like, this is a shadow realm foundation
12:19 PM <red3> Eh, I can see that.
12:19 PM <•barredowl> how i typically think about the department of abnormalities is a way for the foundation to look at itself in the same impartial eye as it does with its SCPs
12:19 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:20 PM <•barredowl> this department feels very metallic and cold and institutional (especially when coupled to the references of the panopticon)
12:20 PM <•cybersqyd> mm
12:20 PM <•barredowl> compared to what we're used to?
12:20 PM <red3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/xG9gU3Pl/SCP-173
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12:20 PM <•barredowl> it feels like you're reading your first skip again?
12:20 PM <red3> Forgot to do that earlier.
12:20 PM <•barredowl> oh yeah, thank you for that btw :3
12:21 PM <•cybersqyd> the note about the drainage leading to an unknown place is actually really fun
12:21 PM <•cybersqyd> because it helps really cultivate the weird feel here?
12:21 PM <•cybersqyd> like, a lot of the details are odd but that one really stands out to me
12:21 PM <•barredowl> it feels very automated, like it wouldn't really care if the people inside were around or not
12:21 PM <•barredowl> that's one thing i like about the DoA, how... absent some features are
12:22 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:22 PM <•barredowl> especially the human quality we get to see
12:22 PM <•cybersqyd> i think...my main issue with this is it feels a little like a JJ Abhrams mystery box? where it's setting up this really great mysterious feel
12:23 PM <•cybersqyd> but the resolution for what's inside the mystery feels...unsatisfying?
12:23 PM <•barredowl> hmm
12:23 PM <•cybersqyd> but that might just be me; this kinda thing isn't necessarily something i stylistically love
12:23 PM <•barredowl> i myself don't really have a problem with the mystery not really paying off tbh
12:23 PM <•cybersqyd> for me it takes it from a 10/10 scp to a like, 8/10 scp
12:23 PM <•barredowl> 6wyeah
12:23 PM <•barredowl> *yeah
12:23 PM <•cybersqyd> like, it's still excellent, but it feels...like it's just, missing something to make it truly great
12:24 PM <•barredowl> i can definitely see how that could be an issue
12:24 PM <•barredowl> it does feel like something's missing but i'm not really sure to what extent that annoys me, if at all
12:24 PM <•barredowl> so uh, do you think we wanna wrap this one up or do we have more to say about it?
12:25 PM <•barredowl> since it doesn't really seem like a lot of people are staying around i think we might drop 3693 and save it for some other time
12:25 PM <•cybersqyd> i actually really like this as an origin for 173
12:25 PM <red3> ^
12:25 PM <•cybersqyd> i don't think 173 needed an origin but i think this does it justice
12:25 PM <•barredowl> yeah it's actually kinda fun
12:26 PM <•barredowl> it's a pretty interesting take
12:26 PM <•cybersqyd> (i'm open for sticking around for 3693 but i'm also open to not doing it)
12:26 PM <•barredowl> i think we might drop it since there aren't as many people actively staying around
12:26 PM <•cybersqyd> i like 3693 more than this one, i think.
12:26 PM <•cybersqyd> fair
12:26 PM <red3> 3693 is pretty short as well, but there's only three people here now.
12:26 PM <•barredowl> i might give 3693 another look outside of RRT
12:26 PM <•barredowl> so yeah
12:26 PM <•cybersqyd> what do y'all think of the picture here?
12:26 PM <red3> You want to just drop it from the schedule?
12:27 PM <•barredowl> i kinda like it
12:27 PM <•barredowl> red3: probably
12:27 PM <•cybersqyd> i have very mixed feelings on it; it's aesthetically very fitting, i think, but it feels...oddly small for the entrance shaft?
12:27 PM <•cybersqyd> like, it's very appropriately old, cold and metal
12:27 PM <•cybersqyd> but it doesn't feel plausibly like it's actually part of the panopticon structure
12:27 PM <•barredowl> it sorta feels like it's looking up instead of looking down
12:28 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah
12:28 PM <•barredowl> the angle kinda produces that effect
12:28 PM <red3> That might be looking into to it too far. It does its job and it does it well. It sets up that this place is deep, dark, and rusted.
12:28 PM <•barredowl> but it's still kinda cool
12:28 PM <•barredowl> yeah
12:28 PM <•cybersqyd> > 
Strategic Missile Forces Museum underground ladder
12:29 PM <•cybersqyd> red3, yeah, you might be right
12:29 PM <•barredowl> god was taylor's old username really taytay1677
12:29 PM <•barredowl> ouch
12:29 PM <•cybersqyd> yeah apparently lol
12:30 PM <red3> I mean, there are a lot of signs that this is apparently from the underground looking up, since the other way around would imply that this organization is just bolting stray cords to the floor.
12:31 PM <red3> But that would also mean that a) some poor fool got stuck down here and b) there was somehow a way to get around this by the fact that they have the photograph.
12:31 PM <red3> Again though, looking a little too far into details that don't matter that much.
12:31 PM <•barredowl> yeah it's a neat tidbit