# Pastebin kaUDJVk6
3:01 PM <~barredowl> alright, on the count of 3
3:01 PM <~barredowl> 1
3:01 PM <~barredowl> 2
3:01 PM <~barredowl> 3
3:01 PM <~barredowl> .s michael the killer
3:01 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: I'm sorry, I couldn't find anything.
3:01 PM <~barredowl> ...
3:02 PM <~barredowl> .s michael the
3:02 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: Did you mean : 1) SCP-2071: Sir Michael Cavendish, in the Guise of the King of Serpents, 2) michael the kiler, ?
3:02 PM <~barredowl> oh fuck
3:02 PM <~barredowl> .sm 2
3:02 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: michael the kiler (Rating: +174. Written 89 days ago By: pastarasta1) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/michael-the-kiler
3:02 PM <~barredowl> read time
3:07 PM <~barredowl> alright, i've finished.
3:07 PM <+cybersqyd> same
3:07 PM <BlueJones> Finished
3:08 PM <red3> I have finished as well.
3:08 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Done.
3:08 PM <~barredowl> so first impressions, as always?
3:08 PM <~barredowl> i have some... mixed feelings rereading this.
3:09 PM <~barredowl> on the one hand, i think this is an interest premise which does have some interesting moments within it.
3:09 PM <~barredowl> *interesting
3:09 PM <red3> There are some funny flourishes to the stories, especially the third one, but the first two give me a bit of a headache from reading the prose. Less due to how intentionally bad it is, but how... inaccurate it feels.
3:09 PM <BlueJones> I for one felt like this was more compelling than the first one. Like its certainly more creepy than that one
3:09 PM <~barredowl> i didn't really get those creepy vibes especially?
3:09 PM <+cybersqyd> red3: inaccurate?
3:09 PM <~barredowl> it feels like the intentionally awful prose in the killer's stories kind of dampened the impact that these murder scenes would have had otherwise.
3:09 PM <red3> It sounds like a person that knows how to write trying really hard to appear as if they don't, instead of the other way around.
3:10 PM <~barredowl> yeah, i see that.
3:11 PM <~barredowl> i also think the ending could have been executed a little better?
3:11 PM <~barredowl> it didn't really have any lasting impact for me.
3:11 PM <~barredowl> the ending, i mean.
3:11 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah
3:11 PM <+cybersqyd> this feels...solidly fine?
3:11 PM <~barredowl> the rest of the story was definitely somewhat intriguing to watch played out
3:12 PM <+cybersqyd> but it kinda feels like it doesn't escalate much?
3:12 PM <~barredowl> but at the same time, i don't know what i would have done to fix the end
3:12 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it doesn't escalate that much for me either
3:12 PM <red3> Like, the way the author character being unable to spell basic words juxtaposes with their perfect use of words like "sizzling", "childish", and "cocksucker" makes this feel a little wonky.
3:12 PM <+cybersqyd> like, after you get to the third instance, it's just...more of the same?
3:12 PM <+cybersqyd> red3: yeah I get that
3:13 PM — @Gee0765 slides in
3:13 PM <~barredowl> which is why i'd say that the poorly written segments just didn't work to increase the potency of this creepypasta come to life killing off bullies
3:13 PM <~barredowl> hi gee
3:13 PM <@Gee0765> i don't like this one at all
3:13 PM <+cybersqyd> oh?
3:13 PM <@Calibri_Bold> mloa
3:14 PM <@Gee0765> It just isn't scary
3:14 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it really isn't scary or creepy
3:14 PM <@Gee0765> it tries far too hard to be scary but misses the mark completely
3:14 PM <~barredowl> not even in the campy horror sense
3:14 PM <red3> There are parts where it tries to be scary and others where it tries to be funny, and they don't mesh well.
3:14 PM <~barredowl> definitely
3:15 PM <red3> Like, if the stories themselves went a lot deeper than just stating how Michael does a slightly disturbing action, then I feel like the responses would actually be funnier.
3:15 PM <~barredowl> i do have a soft spot for some of the images though
3:15 PM <~barredowl> red3: i think that would work out
3:15 PM <+cybersqyd> the art here is really nicely done yeah
3:16 PM <red3> The images do work in its favor, yes.
3:16 PM <~barredowl> i like the dithering some of the images had
3:16 PM <~barredowl> i especially liked the picture with the killer in the house
3:16 PM <+cybersqyd> but yeah I agree about it being in an awkward spot where it's not really creepy but it's also not really not creepy?
3:16 PM <~barredowl> the perspective in that one is really well done
3:16 PM <@Gee0765> mmm im a fan of the art
3:17 PM <+cybersqyd> I don't hate it but it definitely feels...kinda weak overall?
3:17 PM <+cybersqyd> it has some bits with a lot of charm but it really lacks punch
3:17 PM <~barredowl> yeah, weak is what i'd call this
3:17 PM <red3> The final post has some creepy vibes with the repetition.
3:17 PM <~barredowl> there is a lot of charm stockpiled in here
3:17 PM <~barredowl> i didn't really get creeped out by the final message tbh
3:17 PM <~barredowl> to jump back to the images, small touch, but i think the second-to-last image was just the right mix of slightly horrifying but also kinda laughable where it made me chuckle a little.
3:17 PM <@Gee0765> the final message is far too reminiscent of standard creepy little girl/doll type horror
3:18 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I wasn't under the impression this was trying to actually scare me, honestly.
3:18 PM <~barredowl> C_B: i kinda didn't get that too.
3:18 PM <~barredowl> i wasn't really sure what this piece wanted me to feel really
3:18 PM <+cybersqyd> there's a point in the middle where it feels like it is a little?
3:18 PM <+cybersqyd> Like when you realise that it's spreading amongst the forum members who're mean to it?
3:19 PM <+cybersqyd> And you're like 'damn' and you get slight cold chills
3:19 PM <+cybersqyd> but then...it doesn't really do anything else with it?
3:19 PM <~barredowl> yeah, that's a nice little touch
3:19 PM <@Gee0765> (if you're wondering why this is rated so highly it's because people wouldn't shut up about it in scpd discord)
3:19 PM <~barredowl> but i don't think RustyLung getting captured was really that scary?
3:19 PM <~barredowl> ah, not familiar with scpd discord
3:19 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah
3:19 PM <red3> Gee0765: It is, but contrasted with the rest of the character's responses, it works really well.
3:20 PM <~barredowl> RustyLung's capture was just... limp.
3:20 PM <~barredowl> kinda fell flat.
3:20 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah
3:20 PM <~barredowl> maybe this could have been executed a little better
3:20 PM <BlueJones> If it were up to me in terms of RustyLung's capture, I'd have taken some random guy from public domain sitting on a desk with Michael behind him faintly
3:21 PM <BlueJones> at a desk*
3:21 PM <~barredowl> but personally, a lot of the potential here was fizzled out
3:21 PM <~barredowl> BlueJones: maybe a pov shot? that might be a little cheesy
3:21 PM <~barredowl> but this is stockpiled with cheese all over, so idk
3:21 PM <BlueJones> barredowl: I was thinking more webcam of the guy and michael in the corner just faintly
3:22 PM <BlueJones> behind him even
3:22 PM <~barredowl> yeah
3:22 PM <~barredowl> that would be sorta interesting i think?
3:22 PM <+cybersqyd> can i just say: the colours of some of the names here are bad
3:22 PM <+cybersqyd> specifically: im-the-one-who-has-no-guns
3:22 PM <+cybersqyd> rastamasta and clockworkanomaly are both iffy too
3:22 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it's a really dark blue
3:23 PM <+cybersqyd> it's too bright imo
3:23 PM <~barredowl> not dark, just saturated
3:23 PM <+cybersqyd> or saturated?
3:23 PM <~barredowl> small touch but idk
3:23 PM <+cybersqyd> iunno, whatever it is, it needed to be less bright and more...matte? iunno colour words
3:23 PM <~barredowl> huh
3:23 PM <~barredowl> besides that, i think i digged this a little?
3:24 PM <~barredowl> though not as much as i wished it could
3:24 PM <+cybersqyd> i think it's solidly alright
3:24 PM <+cybersqyd> like, it's not an awful piece but it's...not that good either?
3:24 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it's suitably slightly-above-average for me
3:24 PM <red3> I think the beginning dragged on for too long, so the transition near the end to straight horror was really abrupt.
3:24 PM <~barredowl> i think i'll change my +1 to a -1 here, partly because so much of this could be executed better.
3:25 PM <~barredowl> indeed, red
3:25 PM <~barredowl> i kinda got that too.
3:25 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah
3:25 PM <BlueJones> I digged this only because I think of the question of "was this real or was this an anomaly?" other than that, it didn't really do much so.... downvote I guess? I dunno
3:26 PM <~barredowl> i think this could definitely do with some polishing here.
3:26 PM <+cybersqyd> i changed my +1 to a novote but it's like...
3:26 PM <+cybersqyd> i feel like i should roget downvote it?
3:26 PM <~barredowl> i'm roget downvoting it
3:26 PM <~barredowl> there's just a lot of wasted potential here for me
3:26 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah.
3:27 PM <~barredowl> this seems like something which could do with a sort of rewrite?
3:27 PM <~barredowl> though i'm not the author
3:27 PM <~barredowl> so that's up to them.
3:27 PM <+cybersqyd> I'm really not sure what I'd change to make it better tho?
3:27 PM <+cybersqyd> Like, you could do as red3 would want and make michaels' text more compellingly inaccurate
3:27 PM <+cybersqyd> but I personally don't think that's a huge flaw?
3:27 PM <red3> Reading these Parawatch articles feels weird because it made me realize that this GoI is kinda... boring? Once you get past the concept of it being a creepypasta-esque group of internet conspiracy theorists, there's really nothing else of substance besides some boring horror stories. There's a ton of presentation for something with no meat.
3:27 PM <BlueJones> I'm not roget downvoting, I'm blue downvoting cause I enjoyed the thoughts you could have from this but the content isn't on par with how I think this would do to make me upvote
3:28 PM <@Gee0765> is a roget downvote just downvoting because you don't want to novote
3:28 PM <red3> Yes.
3:28 PM <+cybersqyd> Gee0765, I use it to mean 'i'm downvoting this because i think the author can do better'
3:28 PM <@Gee0765> parawatch exists just as a vessel for creepypastas
3:28 PM <BlueJones> red3: Then again, the skips about this group are some fascinating one out there
3:28 PM <@Gee0765> that's the point
3:28 PM <~barredowl> what i would change here is to make the prose just a bit clearer so that the bully murdering and all would shine through more.
3:28 PM <SharpEmbrace> I also like the discussion aspect
3:28 PM <red3> Yeah, so once I get past the nostalgia, I realize that the creepypastas are actually just trash.
3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> where, it's not necessarily a statement about the quality in a vacuum where you'd novote because it's fine; but you're downvoting cos you know the specific author can write something more interesting
3:29 PM <@Gee0765> hippo made parawatch tales so he could write creepypasta on the wiki
3:29 PM <~barredowl> the discussion aspect of parawatch is really interesting for me
3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah
3:29 PM <~barredowl> partly because it's like dialogue but with no excuses.
3:29 PM <BlueJones> I already said how I would make this creepy with the image being that more shock horror, your being watched
3:29 PM <~barredowl> if that makes any sense.
3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> I conceptually like the idea of there being creepypastas and I like the idea of the discussions about it
3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> I kinda like parawatch a lot when it's not necessarily trying to be creepy or creepypasta?
3:30 PM <+cybersqyd> See e.g, a slice of forum life or cuteness on main
3:30 PM <SharpEmbrace> The dialogue drags on here a lot though
3:30 PM <~barredowl> Sharp: definitely
3:30 PM <~barredowl> yeah, a slice of forum life was a really good piece.
3:30 PM <SharpEmbrace> 10 comments on how he's obv trolling don't really help anything
3:30 PM <@Gee0765> ngl though tower-b is fire
3:30 PM <~barredowl> .s tower-b
3:30 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: Tower-B (Rating: +127. Written 272 days ago By: The Great Hippo) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/tower-b
3:30 PM <~barredowl> huh
3:31 PM <BlueJones> Mighty Hippo knows how to make them good
3:31 PM <~barredowl> yeah, i think parawatch is a nice, open road for versatility
3:31 PM <~barredowl> which imo is a good sign of a great goi
3:31 PM <+cybersqyd> I find Tower-B to be...bland?
3:31 PM <~barredowl> which is partly why i didn't like chicago spirit so much
3:31 PM <+cybersqyd> There's a style to the writing in it that I don't really enjoy
3:31 PM <~barredowl> it was very constrictive
3:32 PM <red3> Tower-B is definitely a lot more interesting than a lot of the other Parawatch stories.
3:32 PM <~barredowl> maybe we could check that out if we ever come back to parawatch
3:32 PM <~barredowl> but for now i think we should wrap this up
3:32 PM <~barredowl> so, final impressions?
3:33 PM <~barredowl> i think there was a lot of potentially interesting ideas interested here, but ultimately it fell flat for me execution-wise.
3:33 PM <+cybersqyd> i enjoyed michael the kiler a lot less this time round :(
3:33 PM <~barredowl> the weird mix of comedy and horror especially didn't do much justice here.
3:33 PM <~barredowl> cybersqyd: i know :((
3:33 PM <~barredowl> it still was nice to talk about, though
3:33 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah
3:34 PM <+cybersqyd> and like, changing our views on stuff and better understanding what we like about them is the point :3
3:34 PM <~barredowl> exactly!
3:34 PM <+cybersqyd> so like, in some ways, I call this a win
3:34 PM <~barredowl> i think when i first upvoted this i kinda had a knee-jerk reaction to the idea and not so much the execution
3:34 PM <~barredowl> i guess i attributed most of the lackluster prose here to my skimming of texts
3:35 PM <BlueJones> Good ideas, needs more polish. Also enjoying these discussions cause it helps me understand more things than when I first read through it
3:35 PM <~barredowl> exactly, i think that's mostly the point here.
3:36 PM <~barredowl> so do you think i should copy/paste the log here, since we're mostly finished?
3:36 PM <red3> I think so.
3:36 PM <~barredowl> alright, then.