# Pastebin jPgsFaSe 7:20:16 PM <@Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org barredowl: MEMORANDUM 083 REGARDING PROJECT "GUARDIANSHIP" (Rating: +76. Written 5 years ago By: Eskobar) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/memorandum-083-regarding-project-guardianship 7:20:19 PM <~barredowl> get reading 7:24:44 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan i've finished 7:24:50 PM <~barredowl> finished likewise 7:26:19 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Same. 7:26:32 PM Just about finished 7:26:36 PM <~barredowl> i think we should start soon enough 7:26:55 PM as always, what are our first impressions of this piece, or words you'd like to say to start this off? 7:27:02 PM i personally kinda dig the format presented here. 7:27:30 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I like the premise of it, but it was honestly really annoying to read through, and I couldn't tell what was going on. 7:27:59 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan it's some impressive world building 7:28:04 PM but it's not a very fun read 7:28:13 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Yeah, exactly. 7:28:15 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it is pretty good at building this goi. 7:28:25 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I /love/ the premise of ORIA. 7:28:31 PM <~barredowl> i was a little interested by how all these different groups of interest were presented here. 7:28:33 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan It's really just a big list of gois that they arrested someone from 7:28:35 PM <@Calibri_Bold> But this article is a really boring read. 7:28:48 PM I could tell what was going on but it was kinda weirdly put together if that makes sense. I love how it was building up ORIA while also describing their partnerships with the other groups 7:28:48 PM <~barredowl> it felt a little pointless, but i honestly sorta didn't hate it. 7:28:55 PM i thought yeah, it was a little boring. 7:29:05 PM but the tone makes up for that, i feel. 7:29:48 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan see, the tone and style are nice yeah 7:29:59 PM but i don't think the content is deep enough to justify it 7:30:10 PM <~barredowl> i can see how this could be boring enough to spoil the rest of the article. 7:30:17 PM it's coming close for me. 7:30:25 PM idk. 7:31:36 PM I do like how they really don't like AWCY and the Paranormal religions. Like it does prove a great insight into how ORIA thinks 7:31:45 PM <~barredowl> the mechanics of it are really what makes me somewhat enjoy this, but i guess the content might be a little lacking. 7:32:04 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan BlueJones, yeah, I think that's a nice aspect 7:32:04 PM <~barredowl> like, this is just an overview of the captives ORIA has taken. 7:32:14 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan but it feels...a touch too repetitive in style to really carry it, I think 7:32:18 PM <@Calibri_Bold> ^ 7:32:19 PM <~barredowl> i kinda like how these different gois are classified for me. 7:32:27 PM yeah, it is repetitive, i will say. 7:32:34 PM and it doesn't really go anywhere, i think? 7:32:40 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan nah 7:32:43 PM <@Calibri_Bold> barredowl: Yeah. 7:32:43 PM <~barredowl> just kinda ends 7:32:46 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan like it's very believably an in universe document 7:32:57 PM <@Calibri_Bold> It's basically a big list of GoIs for ORIA. 7:32:58 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan at the expense of being interesting as a story 7:33:08 PM <@Calibri_Bold> cybersqyd: Pretty much. 7:33:26 PM <~barredowl> i mean, i'm a sucker for verisimilitude, so maybe that's why i liked this piece a little. 7:33:29 PM <@Calibri_Bold> It's totally believable, it's just boring. 7:33:30 PM Agreeing with cybersqyd about it being a believeable document in-universe at the cost of a story 7:33:31 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I think if this was like, an interlude in a series or something, it'd work better? 7:33:51 PM Like, world building that felt purposeful in the context of something 7:33:51 PM <~barredowl> so do you think the format presented here might have a gateway into telling more interesting stories? 7:33:57 PM i mean, we don't have much to build on here. 7:34:09 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan It's hard to tell 7:34:19 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it's sorta hard to tell right now. 7:34:25 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan but it feels like it's a flexible enough format that you could easily do something super interesting with it? 7:34:32 PM <~barredowl> definitely. 7:34:48 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I'm...iffy on the optics of it 7:34:51 PM <~barredowl> this goi kinda covers a lot of potentially interesting geographical locations 7:35:12 PM cybersqyd: i would agree there, but i'd like to see what you have to say about it. 7:35:20 PM if you want to, that is 7:35:33 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan It kinda feels like a concept that's very much about making islam/iran feel quite...'other-y' and a little...violent? 7:35:37 PM at least, in this format 7:35:43 PM <~barredowl> yeah, a little. 7:36:09 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan Like...I'm not gonna go so far as to say it crosses the line into being unacceptable but it feels like it's at least walking up the line 7:36:38 PM <~barredowl> i'd agree there. 7:37:15 PM <@Calibri_Bold> cybersqyd: I'd say that it focuses more on the state of Iran, rather than Islam itself. 7:37:24 PM <~barredowl> well yeah 7:37:29 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan On the one hand yeah 7:37:31 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Or rather, it's meant to reflect Iran over Islam as a whole. 7:37:40 PM cybersqyd: I don't really see how this could be problematic. It doesn't dive into Islam that much and focuses more on the shady dealings of a government dealing with the anomalous. 7:37:44 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan on the other, it's framed as "ORIA": the office of reclamation for islamic artefacts 7:37:46 PM <~barredowl> but i think it could easily cross into some unacceptable territory i guess 7:37:47 PM ? 7:38:33 PM <@Calibri_Bold> cybersqyd: I mean, Iran is still an Islamic state, of course. 7:38:36 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan red3, yeah, I mean, this is one of the reasons I don't think it is per se, but I think it's something that you have to be careful how you handle just because of *who* the government are in this case 7:39:06 PM <~barredowl> and i guess in that realm that's something you should probably be careful about touching on a little 7:39:29 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 7:40:05 PM <@Calibri_Bold> It's also a risk when it comes to stuff like HI as well. 7:40:12 PM <~barredowl> looking back on it, i don't really see much that's really substantial going on here. 7:40:22 PM Well, I do agree that offensiveness is in the eye of the beholder, but that line of thinking can apply to basically any religion. 7:40:38 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan Cal: to an extent yeah 7:40:38 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I mean, yeah. 7:40:45 PM <~barredowl> personally just feels like worldbuilding without much of a story here. 7:40:54 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Pretty much. 7:40:59 PM <~barredowl> except maybe how ORIA treats its prisoners, but that's not really elaborated on. 7:41:01 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 7:41:11 PM it's nice world building but it feels...inconsequential on it's own? 7:41:46 PM <~barredowl> which is my problem with this. it doesn't really have much going for it in terms of reading it for a second time bc once you've read the worldbuilding once, it's pretty much exhausted itself. 7:41:54 PM The title of "Project GUARDIANSHIP" made me think of some big project, but the only things it expands upon are the individuals themselves, who don't even receive that much character building. 7:42:27 PM <~barredowl> i was thinking it was going to be some reimagining of clef's proposal lol 7:42:37 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 7:42:47 PM I was expecting something grander from the title 7:42:58 PM <~barredowl> really, there could be something grand coming out of this 7:42:59 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan but I guess 'guardianship' sort of makes sense for like, how you handle prisoners 7:43:04 PM <~barredowl> but this personally seems a little underwhelming. 7:43:20 PM i had a "this is it?" moment at the end, which is always awful. 7:43:28 PM except in certain cases. 7:43:29 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 7:43:32 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Yeah, this was a -1 from me. 7:43:42 PM There's some sprinklings of a large story with the treaty and the group of cybernetic soldiers and "The Absence", but there isn't enough meat on them to really get me interested. 7:43:53 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 7:44:09 PM <~barredowl> yeah. unfortunately this was a downvote for me as well. 7:44:10 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan The Absence is, I think Nobody here 7:44:20 PM I'd upvote purely cause it does provide a good resource into how ORIA thinks of other groups and individuals 7:44:28 PM <~barredowl> yeah. 7:44:31 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan at least, I believe it ties in to "one individual with no extant identity." just before it 7:44:37 PM and that is Nobody 7:44:42 PM Makes sense. 7:45:23 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan The Cybernetic Soldiers are probably 3 moons 7:45:27 PM <~barredowl> yeah, all in all there was a foundation for a nice story here, but i think maybe it laid a little bit too many foundations and didn't have a chance to act on any of them 7:45:41 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah! 7:45:46 PM there's a tonne of cool events mentioned 7:45:48 PM but blandly 7:46:04 PM Well if they are, then that's very poorly conveyed because the names of a lot of the other groups are very similar/identical to their Foundation names. 7:46:08 PM <~barredowl> wait, did three moons even exist during this period? 7:46:09 PM SCP-2922 7:46:10 PM <@Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org barredowl: SCP-2922: Notes From the Under (Rating: +422. Written 4 years ago By: daveyoufool) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2922 7:46:29 PM <~barredowl> i don't think so. 7:46:34 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan hm 7:46:46 PM <~barredowl> .s this kills fascists 7:46:47 PM <@Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org barredowl: SCP-2578: "This Machine Kills Fascists" (Rating: +313. Written 3 years ago By: daveyoufool) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2578 7:46:50 PM <~barredowl> yeah 7:46:53 PM i think this came first. 7:46:56 PM It's probably some random group that was sprinkled in for some mystery. 7:46:56 PM <~barredowl> ORIA i mean 7:47:09 PM maybe CoTBG 7:47:15 PM cybersqyd: Perhaps its a GoI that was planned but got scrapped in the process 7:47:21 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan maybe 7:47:26 PM <~barredowl> nah, doesn't work. 7:47:28 PM hmm. 7:47:36 PM barredowl: nah, CotBG was already mentioned with the Fifthists 7:47:37 PM <~barredowl> well anyway, do you think we should wrap this up with some final points? 7:47:38 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan the CoTBG are mentioned earlier: "three attempting to persuade civilians to accept mechanical implants as a means of becoming more closely affiliated with God." 7:47:45 PM <~barredowl> yeah. 7:48:01 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Perhaps Anderson or Prometheus? 7:48:27 PM <~barredowl> so overall, while i do think the worldbuilding in this is mostly effective, there was just so much subject matter and ground covered here that when it turned out that barely any of that was acted upon, it left me feeling disappointed. 7:48:39 PM i will say though, the format in this is quite interesting i think. 7:48:51 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan oh 7:48:57 PM I think they're alexylva 7:49:26 PM It interests me a lot more than CS or PW, at least. The idea of anomalous entities and organizations having to deal with the constant push and pull of global diplomacy while still trying to act like they don't even exist fascinates me. 7:49:30 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan see: http://www.scp-wiki.net/stare which also talks about legions/integrator squadrons and is tagged alexylva 7:49:42 PM <~barredowl> red3: interesting. 7:49:59 PM Calibri_Bold: Couldn't have been Anderson, seeing as this document was in the 70's while Anderson was made in the 90s. I think Sqyd could be right though about it being Alexylva 7:50:15 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Yeah. 7:51:48 PM <~barredowl> anyway, if nobody really has anything to fall off, i think we'll go into the next one.