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<•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: I think the idea of the supplements altogether might be interesting to talk about, actually.
6:18 PM <•barredowl> alright, that might be a topic point
6:19 PM but still, be sure to read the supplements y'all
6:21 PM <Greyve> sorry gtg guys
6:21 PM have fun!
6:21 PM <•barredowl> that's fine
6:21 PM gbye
6:21 PM <DrMoned> Cya
6:23 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Okay, so the use of the supplements is quite interesting in this one, and it's actually not something we see a lot in the modern wiki.
6:24 PM <•barredowl> are you finished? a lot of us are i believe still reading
6:24 PM <•Calibri_Bold> I finished.
6:24 PM <•barredowl> oh, alright
6:24 PM <DrMoned> Lot more expungements and blackboxes then would be used now. There seems to be some breaks in clinical tone with added superfluous detail as well eg: "whenever found or detected." 
6:24 PM and yeah I finished too
6:25 PM <•Calibri_Bold> The blackboxes are quite intense lol
6:25 PM <red3> There's a lot of fluff that can be cut out.
6:25 PM <DrMoned> Yeah, it could do with a large trim. And tons of the blackboxes seem unnecessary
6:25 PM <Hexick> Calibri_Bold: It's been awhile since I've read an S1 so I was surprised too.
6:25 PM <•barredowl> alright i've finished.
6:26 PM <Hexick> barredowl: Me too.
6:26 PM <•Calibri_Bold> But it should be acknowledged that this is an early article.
6:26 PM <•barredowl> it is an early article
6:26 PM <DrMoned> Although, there does seem to have been a decent plan for the story, the reference to tarot cards (I assume) is well pulled off overall
6:26 PM <•Calibri_Bold> The use of blackboxes was likely considered to be of greater effect, to denote something both high-risk and high-security.
6:26 PM Nowadays, it's been used enough that people get tired of it.
6:26 PM <•barredowl> i do find it interesting, though, that a lot of the redaction clutter is due to redaction of mostly names, dates, and locations
6:27 PM <DrMoned> Not sure we can excuse its problems by it being an early article though.  Clinical tone should have still been relevant, and fluff was still meh
6:27 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl and DrMoned: Both true.
6:27 PM <DrMoned> I was under the impression we were judging it as a stand alone classic piece
6:27 PM <•barredowl> there is some content redaction in there, but for the most part i think that a lot of the stuff could be uncluttered
6:27 PM <•Gee0765> yes what I find unusual about bad clinical tone in older articles is like
6:28 PM <•Calibri_Bold> DrMoned: Perhaps, but I think we should consider it in the context of the wiki at large.
6:28 PM <•Gee0765> yes clinical tone has existed for a lot longer than the scp wiki
6:28 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan ok im done
6:28 PM <Hexick> I think stuff like the names and numbers don't need redactions, such as:
6:28 PM <red3> I liked the redaction of the number of performances, because the reader still has all of the information that line would've given and a bit more.
6:28 PM <Hexick> > 
absolutely no personnel whatsoever is to be granted access to the archive without the express, in-person permission of Drs. L████, R█████ and J██████.
6:28 PM and
6:28 PM <•barredowl> while there isn't a lot of here, it seems a lot of older articles include a part of the description where a certain word is in quotations, like
6:28 PM <Hexick> > 
Of the ██ recorded performances, only ██ (36.78%) have ended in SCP-701 events.
6:29 PM <•barredowl> > 
SCP-XXXX will "hook"
6:29 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan The publication history section seems wholly useless to me, given we have other references as to the number of performances and deaths.
6:29 PM <DrMoned> "spike in ████ ██████ levels" this isnt needed imo
6:29 PM <•barredowl> it seems a little perfunctory, sharp, yeah
6:29 PM <Hexick> DrMoned: Agreed.
6:29 PM <•barredowl> but i like this line: "Furthermore, photocopies of the 1965 text have been found in circulation throughout college theater departments in the continental United States and in the United Kingdom."
6:30 PM it really explains why this is a threat to the foundation in a roundabout way
6:30 PM <red3> That entire paragraph is unneeded. Discussing what your anomaly is scientifically rather than what it is physically ruins a lot of the mystery factor.
6:30 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Yeah.
6:30 PM <Hexick> barredowl: Yea, it did a good job of creating a sense of danger.
6:30 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan > 
Given the high probability of [EXPUNGED] in my mind, I again recommend that SCP-701 be upgraded to Keter-class. The SCP-701 memetic virus may very well be the forefront of an invasion scenario.
6:30 PM This is kind of nice for me
6:30 PM <DrMoned> "kept in a triple-locked archive" this isnt really explained as a whole. It seems to be trying to scream dangerous object at the reader. I think the piece could be more "show dont tell" as a whole
6:30 PM <•barredowl> i like that. the [EXPUNGED] is kind of a copout, but that's a nice send-off
6:30 PM <•Calibri_Bold> I think this article does have a lot of strengths though.
6:30 PM <•barredowl> C_B: yeah, most definitely.
6:31 PM <DrMoned> For me the narrative is the strong bit
6:31 PM the actual formatting pulls it down
6:31 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I get that telling us "oh this is a threat you should be afraid" can be problematic, but I think it's actually adding to this a little
6:31 PM <•Calibri_Bold> It does an excellent job of not only implying something larger, but also being sure to express that the something larger is definitive.
6:31 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan ^
6:31 PM <•Calibri_Bold> A lot of folks try to pull off that, where they'll try and be vague with their articles.
6:31 PM <•barredowl> for one, i think this was a nice explanation and exploration into this fairly interesting anomaly
6:31 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan the actual document doesn't even mention alagadda
6:32 PM <•barredowl> the play supplement does
6:32 PM <DrMoned> Indeed, but from the actual context. Why is it triple locked, the piece isnt dangerous, it being enacted is.
6:32 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan ye ik
6:32 PM DrMoned: Yeah, seems kinda  pointless.
6:32 PM <•Calibri_Bold> But it often ends up falling flat, because those authors think that the mystery alone will intrigue people, and as such they don't have a good idea themselves of what the answer to that mystery is.
6:32 PM <Hexick> I don't think this is needed as it was stated before in the ConProcs. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/udqrfflV/
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6:33 PM <DrMoned> I get implying danger. But wacking a hammer on the heads of a reader doesnt work, it needs to be done well
6:33 PM <red3> Yeah, that whole section can be cut.
6:33 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan yeah, there's a lot of unnecessary facts that don't contribute much
6:33 PM <•Calibri_Bold> The best sort of vague is one that implies something without showing it, but still gies the impression that the author actually has an idea in mind of what's behind that mystery.
6:33 PM *gives
6:33 PM This article is great at that.
6:33 PM <•barredowl> i think where this article soars is in the actual play being acted and that whole supplement
6:33 PM <DrMoned> I love the context too
6:33 PM <•barredowl> because that was generally well-elaborated while simultaneously enjoyable to read
6:33 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: Indeed.
6:34 PM <Hexick> I personally enjoyed the supplements as it added some interesting story that alluded to a lot.
6:34 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Yeah, and I feel like that should be touched on, while we're on it.
6:34 PM <•barredowl> Hexick: yeah, they added a lot of flavor to the piece.
6:34 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Because it's really not something that's done a whole lot nowadays.
6:35 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I gotta say tho that what i think is really nice is how it pulls the trigger really early with the mentions of suicide so early, but proceeds to show a larger scale that dwarfs that.
6:35 PM <•Calibri_Bold> SharpEmbrace: Yeah, that's a nice touch.
6:35 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan and of course we cannot avoid mentioning the picture
6:35 PM it's perfect
6:35 PM <DrMoned> It builds tension quite well
6:35 PM <Penguin> Yeah, suicide is usually the big reveal in new articles
6:35 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan the image, that is
6:35 PM <•barredowl> supplements aren't really used anymore partly due to the prevalence of collapsibles
6:35 PM <Penguin> The image is spectacular
6:36 PM <DrMoned> Small question, do you guys think it is based upon the tarot card much? Or is it a coincidence.
6:36 PM <Penguin> Absolutely horrifying as well
6:36 PM <•barredowl> but in a way, i feel supplements in older articles feel sorta... perfunctory and are treated as such?
6:36 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: This is true, but supplements are also a great way for other writers to expand on a piece.
6:36 PM <•barredowl> DrMoned: i'm not familiar with tarot cards, so i wouldn't know
6:36 PM <red3> I thought it was inspired by the really bloody plays that were written in the same era as it.
6:36 PM <DrMoned> "The Hanged Man is the card of ultimate surrender, of being suspended in time and of martyrdom and sacrifice to the greater good."
6:36 PM <red3> Hamlet and things like that.
6:36 PM <•Gee0765> yes supplements get outclassed almost entirely by either collapsibles or listpages
6:36 PM <DrMoned> There is a tarot called the hanged man
6:36 PM <•Calibri_Bold> A lot of modern articles focus on being either their own, self-contained stories, or are part of larger canons and pieces with a clear direction.
6:37 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I don't know if martyrdom is really a big thing in Alagadda?
6:37 PM <•Gee0765> yes back then they didn't know how to do the latter, so that's why there's supplements
6:37 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Gee0765: Yeah, it doesn't really make sense to have them as independent stories.
6:37 PM <Penguin> DrMoned: Huh! I didn’t think about that, but that’s really interesting.
6:37 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Gee0765: This is true, but I'd still like to see supplements used to expand on a piece sometimes.
6:37 PM <•barredowl> so how would you think would change structure-wise if the supplements were included as collapsibles instead?
6:38 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: I'm actually not sure if I'd like it as much, honestly.
6:38 PM <•barredowl> like, to me the supplements in this would work a lot better if used as a collapsible in a modern article because they're more integral to the plot of the story
6:38 PM a lot better in comparison to other supplements, that is
6:38 PM <DrMoned> adding consistency in the old articles would be nice
6:38 PM <•barredowl> i don't actually think i would like it were they to be collapsibles
6:38 PM <Hexick> barredowl: I agree, or at least they should have all been compiled into one area instead of being spread out in the main article.
6:39 PM <DrMoned> Doing it as listpages might be better
6:39 PM <•Calibri_Bold> See, this article stands very well on its own, as of right now.
6:39 PM <DrMoned> as the supplements arent part of the actual score
6:39 PM <•Calibri_Bold> I do genuinely believe that.
6:39 PM <•barredowl> supplements and offsets do have a different feel to them, though
6:40 PM <Penguin> ^^
6:40 PM <Hexick> ^^^
6:40 PM <•barredowl> if only by a little
6:40 PM <DrMoned> do they though barredowl. It would be the exact same but with the same rating module
6:40 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Bar removing fluff and general tone, are there any improvements you think could be made?
6:40 PM <•barredowl> well yeah, but even so offsets and supplements feel... sorta different, idk.
6:40 PM <•Gee0765> yes the vibe is slightly different
6:40 PM <DrMoned> I would say it is part of the actual article by this point, so should share the rating 
6:40 PM <•Calibri_Bold> DrMoned: Except the knowledge that it's technically the same article does that.
6:40 PM <Hexick> I think collapsibles would be better than list pages
6:41 PM <•Gee0765> yes not to the point where I don't think offsets would be better
6:41 PM <DrMoned> Collapsibles would ruin it for me
6:41 PM <•Gee0765> yes because I still think that either collapsibles or offsets would be better here
6:41 PM but the vibe isn't identical
6:41 PM <•barredowl> i do feel like the italicized notes at the end didn't really hit as hard as it feels like it's attempting to
6:41 PM <DrMoned> In universe these documents are attached, but they are not the same
6:41 PM <red3> If you put something in a collapsible, then that's implying that it should be read in the same vein as the original article, which would kill its pacing.
6:41 PM <•barredowl> in a modern article, those ending notes would have had more of a punch
6:41 PM <•Jak> That took longer than expected to read
6:41 PM <•Gee0765> yes notes at the end tend to be iffy, especially in older articles
6:42 PM <DrMoned> 100% agree red3
6:42 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan also
6:42 PM <DrMoned> Welcome back Jak ;p
6:42 PM <•barredowl> welcome back jak
6:42 PM <•Calibri_Bold> red3: That's really fair.
6:42 PM I liked reading the supplements as their own pieces.
6:42 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan > 
And in this line of business, we consider ourselves lucky if we only lose a hundred or so people every ten years. - O5-█, 1237197060.
6:42 PM does anyone have a clue
6:42 PM <•barredowl> the supplements did work by their own, i think
6:42 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan what that number at the end is supposed to mean
6:42 PM because i am baffled
6:42 PM <•Calibri_Bold> SharpEmbrace: I'm interested as well.
6:42 PM <•Gee0765> yes they're very regularly just 'look dangerous', both in older articles and mediocre newer ones
6:42 PM <Hexick> SharpEmbrace: Maybe their ID?
6:42 PM <DrMoned> Nope, no idea
6:43 PM <red3> I imagine that they're using an online chatting system and each message is assigned its own message ID.
6:43 PM <•barredowl> i think it's a message id
6:43 PM <•Jak> the supplements tend to break the pacing for me honestly. Its like thinking you're getting to a checkpoint until you realize that you're actually another 1000 feet away
6:43 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Favourite lines, people?
6:43 PM <•barredowl> jak: i can see that, but the original article is pretty short anyway, and having it on its own really wouldn't make this too spectacularly.
6:44 PM SharpEmbrace: i'm not sure.
6:44 PM <•Jak> That is true
6:44 PM <•barredowl> i was more ingesting the content than the specific words of the article
6:44 PM <Hexick> > 
Antonio speaks: “With this, the tribute, in full it is paid.” The actor takes SCP-701-19██-B (the dagger) and draws it across Gonzalo’s stomach, spilling his intestines across the stage.
6:44 PM <•barredowl> so idk about favorite lines
6:44 PM <Hexick> SharpEmbrace: ^
6:44 PM That's my favorite line.
6:44 PM <•barredowl> > 
Rather than improvisation or gaffs associated with going 'off script,' said deviations will be both orderly and consistent, as if the actors were working off a new version of the script.
6:44 PM i do like this line, though.
6:45 PM <red3> I think the notes at the end would work if they were put into the actual document. Maybe have a paragraph in the ConProcs stating how little action is being done due to the low amount of deaths and then a section at the end hinting at the XK if something is done.
6:45 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I feel like it has purpose because it begs the question
6:45 PM An invasion by whom?
6:45 PM but it kind of fails to follow up on that
6:46 PM <•Calibri_Bold> SharpEmbrace: I don't really think it needs to, honestly.
6:46 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan it conveys there's a bigger picture, but invasion doesn't really fit neatly into that
6:46 PM <•Calibri_Bold> That might just be me personally.
6:46 PM <red3> I do believe it gives enough to make a theory, but that might just be me grasping at straws.
6:46 PM <•barredowl> there's some of that built up in the incident supplement
6:46 PM <Hexick> SharpEmbrace: Possibly an invasion by the entities within Alagadda?
6:46 PM <DrMoned> I think we know the context as a whole so we can infer. Without other knowledge I agree with Sharp
6:47 PM <red3> It relies too heavily on its supplements?
6:47 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I guess it's there to imply more beings like the Hanged King can come in and start spreading death, but I feel like that could have been done much smoother.
6:47 PM <Hexick> red3: Agreed.
6:47 PM <•barredowl> red3: i partially agree there. the supplements don't annoy me, but the article does somewhat rely on it too much.
6:47 PM <Hexick> SharpEmbrace: Yea, it was just too vague.
6:47 PM <DrMoned> Also up to date terms such as " BI-Class (Before Invasion) Scenario" would improve it
6:47 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan without them we're left missing something
6:48 PM <•barredowl> DrMoned: i'm not sure about that, tbh
6:48 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan > 
In short, SCP-701 is a self-evolving memetic virus
6:48 PM <red3> "Before Invasion" would be a little too on the nose.
6:48 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I really dislike calling this a virus
6:48 PM <•Calibri_Bold> DrMoned: I agree, those terms aren't even really canon.
6:48 PM <DrMoned> barredowl "invasion scenario" on its own it trash. It doesnt fit into any canon and is so obviously made up
6:48 PM <red3> Imagine calling something "canon" in 2020.
6:48 PM <Hexick> SharpEmbrace: "Memetic agent" would be better.
6:48 PM <Penguin> Yeah.
6:49 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Hexick: Even that, I feel undermines the otherworldlyness of this phenomenon
6:49 PM <•barredowl> i don't really like the "in short" part, doesn't seem like something that would be part of a clinical document.
6:49 PM <DrMoned> just "XK class Scenario" or "BI class scenario", doesnt even need an explanation.
6:49 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan barredowl: agreed
6:49 PM <•barredowl> DrMoned: i think that could work?
6:49 PM there is generally a lot of weird clinical tone here
6:50 PM <red3> Most of that is mainly because this was written over a decade ago.
6:50 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Also, we see no evidence of it evolving?
6:50 PM like, where did that come from?
6:50 PM <•Jak> 701 has quite a few breaks in clinical tone
6:50 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: That's fair, although I do appreciate the terminology (aside from calling it a "virus," maybe). I think that it could be rectified by simply including that part more towards the beginning.
6:50 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan we never get a follow up on that
6:50 PM <Penguin> I mean, it is quite old. It’s interesting to see how the standards have changed not just narratively but in terminologically
6:50 PM <•barredowl> the parenthetical notation is kind of a leftover from older articles
6:50 PM like the "one (1)" stuff
6:50 PM <•Calibri_Bold> SharpEmbrace: It's the idea that it's included in new media, I believe.
6:51 PM <Penguin> barredowl: RIP “amnesiacs”, hello amnesties
6:51 PM amnestics
6:51 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan heh
6:52 PM <Hexick> "amnesties" Penguin 2020.
6:52 PM <•barredowl> so, anything else which sticks out about the article?
6:52 PM <red3> Another direction it could've gone is by cutting everything but some parts of the history and then just including a plot summary. That'll give a lot more insight into what this anomaly means and would make it fit more into a genre rather than just "clinical document".
6:52 PM <Penguin> Mmm love those amnesties
6:52 PM <Hexick> red3: Yea, that sounds better.
6:52 PM <•Calibri_Bold> One of the things that I think should be commented on in Series 1 articles is the fact that they're so old, and were made when SCP had a lot less content.
6:53 PM <•barredowl> idk, i think the incident supplement is a fairly integral part of the article, so idk about removing it
6:53 PM C_B: indeed.
6:53 PM <•Calibri_Bold> And I think it's something people fail to acknowledge when they say stiff like "Series 1 just didn't have high standards".
6:53 PM *stuff
6:53 PM I want to use 682 as an example, really quickly.
6:54 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I feel it would be better described as a recurring phenomenon that occurs unpredictably.
6:54 PM <•barredowl> but even so, i do think this stands out as one of the better classics  imo.
6:54 PM <•Calibri_Bold> People often cite it as a classic example of something that would be deleted nowadays, and they're right in that it probably would.
6:54 PM <red3> It has a great progression. The first paragraph of the Description previews the events nicely, and there's a clear escalation of danger as it goes on. Although, there are some parts that repeat information in order to get that effect.
6:54 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: Agreed.
6:54 PM <Hexick> SharpEmbrace: Like a phenomenon that affects the play and not the play itself?
6:55 PM <•Calibri_Bold> But let's take the fact that in the first line of 682's ConProcs, it says "SCP-682 must be destroyed as soon as possible."
6:55 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I think you could describe the appearance of the text and surrounding events collectively as a phenomenon
6:55 PM <•barredowl> red3: exactly. while there are some repetitive stuff, this article has a nice feeling of progression
6:55 PM <•Calibri_Bold> This wouldn't be a great hook nowadays.
6:55 PM Simply because it's already been done.
6:55 PM <Hexick> Calibri_Bold: That line always bothered me as it goes against everything the Foundation stands for.
6:55 PM <red3> It was completely unfeasible back then, though.
6:55 PM <•barredowl> yeah, it's a little unreasonable
6:55 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Hexick: Exactly!
6:55 PM <red3> And that's its hook.
6:55 PM <•barredowl> but maybe that's the point.
6:55 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan That would be a good hook, in my opinion.
6:56 PM <•Calibri_Bold> SharpEmbrace: Are you guys talking about the same hook I am?
6:56 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan To see what would force the Foundation's hand like that.
6:56 PM It's a break from convention?
6:56 PM <•barredowl> with today's standards, "must be destroyed as possible" isn't really that good
6:56 PM <Hexick> Also there are much more dangerous anomalies that don'g have orders for neutralization.
6:56 PM <•Gee0765> yes consider the possibility that 682 has a subtle memetic effect compelling people to want to kill it
6:56 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: That's the thing.
6:56 PM <Hexick> *don't not don'g
6:56 PM <•barredowl> alright, so back to 701.
6:56 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Back then, it was a fresh, new idea.
6:56 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Gee0765: exactly. it could be whatever
6:56 PM <•barredowl> anyone want to make any final thoughts?
6:56 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan it doesn't inherently mean it is indestructible.
6:57 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Basically, I'm saying that we don't like a lot of Series 1 articles because they use tropes we would consider to be cliche, cheap, or overdone.
6:57 PM <DrMoned> barredowl I mean I assume 701 was the springboard here for other convos? 
6:57 PM I think talking about classics as a whole is good
6:57 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I think this is a good example of the otherworldly seeping in quietly into reality.
6:57 PM <•Calibri_Bold> But I think we often forget that a lot of those articles were the first to use those tropes.
6:57 PM <•barredowl> alright, i think we could go back.
6:58 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Calibri_Bold: Well, invincible monster is hardly new, but I get your point.
6:58 PM <•Calibri_Bold> SharpEmbrace: That's true, but I'm mainly speaking in the context of the old SCP Foundation.
6:58 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan 701 is pretty good at maintaining a realistic setting with the monsters giving you a dead stare in the background.
6:58 PM and slowly walking closer.
6:58 PM <DrMoned> C_B I think we discourage users to go the same path as a series 1. A 682 recreation would be bad. But it is the first
6:58 PM <•Calibri_Bold> DrMoned: Precisely.
6:59 PM <DrMoned> Although, I do think its clinical tone could use a lot of work
6:59 PM <•Calibri_Bold> I wouldn't encourage users to take the Series 1 route, primarily because it's already been done.
6:59 PM DrMoned: Oh, definitely agreed.
6:59 PM <DrMoned> Clinical tone in a lot of early articles could use a spring clean in my eyes
6:59 PM Some kind of mass Clinical-ity event :P
7:00 PM <•barredowl> so yeah, while this article does have a lot of flaws (like the excessive redactions and the less-than-favorable clinical tone), the things this article does new and interestingly makes up for that.
7:00 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: Agreed.
7:01 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan It's definitely interesting.
7:01 PM <•barredowl> so what could you say this article has in it which we could consider influential?
7:01 PM <red3> The biggest fault for me, besides the repetitions, is the ConProcs. It does nothing new, doesn't give a good hook, and only gives a small glimpse of 701's effects, which would be better shown if it were placed later in the article.
7:01 PM <•barredowl> red3: the conprocs are kind of a mess and don't add too much to the story, and are fairly clunky?
7:01 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: I can't think of how to say it exactly, but I want to say its use of metaphor?
7:02 PM Like, how it uses the play to symbolize something greater about itself.
7:02 PM <•barredowl> i would say its use of narrative to increase the depth and intrigue of this anomaly is pretty memorable
7:02 PM C_B: it is certainly very evocative metaphor-wise.
7:02 PM <red3> barredowl: Not necessarily clunky, but it doesn't add anything to the story.
7:02 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan I like the implication of a higher purpose to this all.
7:02 PM It's still compulsive murder and suicide,
7:03 PM <•barredowl> i think this is generally a well-handled compulsion effect. it has enough depth to explain and justify the compulsion effect to stay interesting.
7:03 PM <red3> It's a great example of using an anomaly to tell a bigger story. The SCP is about the -1 instance, rather than the play. And rather than just tell the story about how this entity created this play to show some distorted series of events from its reality, it shows it through subtle hints in the play's story.
7:03 PM <Hexick> barredowl: I agree.
7:03 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: Agreed.
7:03 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan the compulsion doesn't exist to fill a plot hole: it exists because the monster can do that to you
7:04 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Right; a lot of folks try to use compulsion to just "make the thing happen".
7:04 PM <•barredowl> SharpEmbrace: exactly. it doesn't feel contrived. it doesn't feel like the author put that in to explain away certain unforgivable parts.
7:04 PM C_B: agreed.
7:04 PM <•Calibri_Bold> Like, they have a thing that does a thing, and in order to make that thing do its thing, it does another thing to compel humans.
7:05 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan It turning you into a violent psycho is kind of integral to the anomaly. That's what it does; it brings insanity and death.
7:05 PM <•barredowl> and in those cases, the compulsion effect is pretty much the entire anomaly, with nothing done to explain why it does that.
7:05 PM <red3> Calibri_Bold: Exactly.
7:05 PM <•barredowl> yeah, it accomplishes a lot of things considered cliches today and makes it interesting to read about.
7:07 PM and the references to the hanged king are certainly mysterious and captivating at times.
7:07 PM <•Calibri_Bold> All in all, it was an upvote from me, I'd say.
7:07 PM <Hexick> ^
7:07 PM <•barredowl> yeah, i upvoted and commented before this lmao
7:07 PM <red3> It's weird actually analyzing it. It gives me a new perspective.
7:08 PM <•Calibri_Bold> red3: Yeah, and it's nice to explore some of those Series 1 articles like this.
7:08 PM <DrMoned> Agreed red
7:08 PM <•barredowl> yeah, doesn't it? it illuminates a lot of things you wouldn't otherwise think about, good or bad.
7:08 PM <DrMoned> barredowl: also. RAISA Review comment layout perhaps? 
7:08 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan i downvoted the play summary though
7:08 PM that was kind of generic tragedy 
7:09 PM <•barredowl> so yeah, i think that was a nice introduction into classics
7:09 PM DrMoned: what do you mean?
7:09 PM <•Calibri_Bold> barredowl: I kind of want to go into 682 now, if you'd like.
7:09 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan without the presence of alagadda it's not that interesting.
7:09 PM <•barredowl> C_B: we may, but we should give a couple to cool down and get things sorted out.
7:09 PM <•Calibri_Bold> To take a similar approach to it, I mean.
7:09 PM barredowl: Right.
7:10 PM <•barredowl> so what's everyone's consensus on 701? good? bad? utter trash?
7:10 PM <red3> The Incident Report gives a better glimpse into the character of the -1 and the world of Alagadda as a whole. There are some signs of that in the Document, though.
7:10 PM <SharpEmbrace> FeelingGoodMan Good, but could have been great
7:10 PM <DrMoned> If there is a unified comment format. barredowl https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/T4i01rr1
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7:10 PM <•barredowl> red3: exactly. the incident report really reveals a lot about an underworld to this anomaly.
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