# Pastebin UgtPXEbf
<•barredowl> alright, i think we're gonna hop into the discussion
2:16 PM so, where should we start?
2:17 PM i think i should note that to me, the conprocs are a little... off.
2:17 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Oh yeah.
2:17 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan Like because they're very unfocussed on containment?
2:17 PM <Greyve> oh boy.
2:17 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan like it freely roams around
2:17 PM <Greyve> 999 is a thing that does a thing, that is allowed to do it's thing.
2:17 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan in a very old school sense that would not be allowed noawadays
2:17 PM <•barredowl> i think the tone switches halfway through. like, it's fairly standard clinical tone, then
2:17 PM <red3> They're great for putting the reader into the tone of the article, but besides that they don't do much.
2:17 PM <•barredowl> > 
Pen is to be kept clean and food replaced twice daily.
2:18 PM that
2:18 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold SCP-1048 is a great example of what happens when the Foundation lets something like that happen.
2:18 PM <•Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org Calibri_Bold: SCP-1048: Builder Bear (Rating: +1204. Written 8 years ago By: trennerdios) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1048
2:18 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah that really needs a 'The' at the start
2:18 PM it feels very much like a quick note
2:18 PM <•barredowl> it kinda feels like a very quick leap into a moto42-style tone
2:18 PM but yeah
2:18 PM <Greyve> 1048 is actually a pretty sounds article.
2:18 PM <•barredowl> > 
Subject is to be played with when bored
2:19 PM that too is kind of a problem too
2:19 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah, it's very...
2:19 PM <•barredowl> 1048 is pretty good, i'd say.
2:19 PM <red3> How is it a problem? This SCP isn't particularly dangerous or deadly.
2:19 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan assuming the SCP isn't dangerous and just giving it everything it wants
2:19 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold 1048 is very good, yeah.
2:19 PM <Greyve> barredowl: what you said.
2:19 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold red3: But that's not how the Foundation sees it.
2:19 PM <•barredowl> it doesn't really feel like conprocs to me?
2:19 PM <Greyve> Played with when bored just falls flat.
2:19 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold What if it's just hiding its more malevolent properties?
2:19 PM <red3> That's assuming that the Foundation of 1048 and the Foundation of 999 are the same.
2:20 PM <•barredowl> and idk if it's exactly the clearest whether or not it's the anomaly or the handler that's bored for this?
2:20 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold red3: I mean, there's generally some assumptions made about the Foundation.
2:20 PM <•barredowl> anyway, i'll move on from that.
2:20 PM <red3> 1048 works because, at that time where articles like 999 were popular, that tone of a more casual Foundation was very mainstream. It works because it subverts that by making an incredibly horrific teddy bear that feigns its innocence.
2:20 PM <Penguin> It feels like their just keeping it like a office puppy, not something dangerous to their whole organization and by proxy, the world.
2:20 PM <Greyve> ^
2:20 PM <Penguin> *they're
2:20 PM <•barredowl> red3: exactly
2:20 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan it kinda feels reminiscent of 2790 too
2:20 PM scp-2790
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2:21 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan except without that dark twist to it
2:21 PM <Greyve> To be fair, if 999 had a severe conproc, the entire article would just not work at all.
2:21 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah
2:21 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold There honestly could have been something great done with 999.
2:21 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan The first paragraph of the description feels really old school too
2:21 PM <•barredowl> yeah, i mean, it flavors the article, is the best way i can put it?
2:21 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan it's very...scientific
2:21 PM like super precise about numbers
2:21 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold For instance, what if someone became "addicted" to having 999 around?
2:21 PM <•barredowl> yeah, "appears to be", "Subject", lot of stuff there
2:22 PM <Greyve> C_B brings a great point.
2:22 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan "though it is capable of digesting organic materials with ease." feels kinda out of place here too?
2:22 PM <Greyve> Happiness pet could easily become addictive.
2:22 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan Like, it has a slightly sinister tone to it that never feels like it goes anywhere?
2:22 PM <•barredowl> yeah, there are a lot of possibilities here which i think go unexplored.
2:22 PM <Greyve> And perhaps that effect causes other people to like it so much, to give it free rein.
2:23 PM <•barredowl> i do get that sinister tone. like, so hard.
2:23 PM <Greyve> But they don't EXPLORE that!
2:23 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold See, it basically just goes for "making it as cute as possible".
2:23 PM <•barredowl> > 
All persons within the wave’s range collapse into crippling fits of laughter, allowing SCP-682 to escape and slaughter all in its path.
2:23 PM this is fuckin horrifying, for instance
2:23 PM <Greyve> ^
2:23 PM agreed.
2:23 PM <•barredowl> ignoring the frankly unclinical tone of slaughter all in its path.
2:23 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold barredowl: Yeah, and then it just turns into a joke about 682 being cute.
2:23 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah it feels...tonally disonnant?
2:23 PM <red3> Yes, but that horror is quickly undercut by the ending note.
2:23 PM <Greyve> Cute is fine and dandy, but cute can be done well without being a thing that does a thing for no reason.
2:24 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Stuff like 4966 pulls off "cute" far better.
2:24 PM <•barredowl> yeah, it feels kind of synthetic and unearned.
2:24 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold ^
2:24 PM <Greyve> I mean, looking at Mew-Itiverse's stuff, a lot of it is cute and all but it's still solid as a story.
2:24 PM <•barredowl> it's kinda cheating, cause it literally makes you happy.
2:24 PM that's the anomaly's effects.
2:24 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan oh yeah, Mew is a master of cute but good stuff
2:24 PM Zyn's pretty good at that too
2:24 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold ^
2:24 PM <•barredowl> they both are.
2:25 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan This feels like it has sinister undertones but like, they're their by obligation and the author only included them because they felt they had to
2:25 PM and would also very much prefer if you didn't dwell on 'em
2:25 PM <Penguin> Versus the 999's sort of "holesome orng jelly frind"
2:26 PM <Greyve> Honestly, a 999 rewrite about addiction affecting its researchers in an almost compulsive way would be really well appreciated by me.
2:26 PM <•barredowl> i think even with the "slaughter all in its path" moment, it seems like it tried to be happy and cute but is just strangely cold.
2:26 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah
2:26 PM <•barredowl> without the moment
2:26 PM so, what about the interview do you think is of interest here?
2:27 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan It's a fun subversion of how 682 normally behaves
2:27 PM <Greyve> ^
2:27 PM But then again.
2:27 PM <•barredowl> i think that it's sorta fun, but personally the note at the end kinda undercuts it?
2:27 PM <Greyve> It just abuses 682's fame through crosslinking.
2:27 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Pretty much.
2:27 PM <red3> I agree with that.
2:27 PM <•barredowl> yeah, there's a lot of that
2:28 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah; i think it wouldn't do so well if it was posted recently
2:28 PM ...it kinda feels like it's too one note with no real growth or anything?
2:28 PM <•barredowl> and it just feels like it tried to be an example of just how unique and interesting this anomaly can be, but in reality it doesn't offer anything that different from the rest of the article
2:28 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Have any of you ever watched "Anomalies" by Lord Bung?
2:28 PM <•barredowl> i have
2:28 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan i haven't
2:29 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L0wQgPa20o&vl=en
2:29 PM <•Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org Calibri_Bold: SCP Confinement Special - Anomalies! -  length 3m37s - 100097↑700↓ - 2116822 views - Lord Bung - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L0wQgPa20o
2:29 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold It's kind of a good example of what I envision with the undertone of 999.
2:29 PM — Greyve nods
2:29 PM <Penguin> It's a banger of a song as well
2:29 PM <Greyve> Lord Bung is awesome anyways :3
2:29 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold It's a very silly and absurd premise, but they include some very dark undertones.
2:30 PM And in "Anomalies," they act on it /extremely/ well.
2:30 PM <•barredowl> i think 999 really works in a blank slate way that 682 kinda had to it, where you could see yourself and your world interacting with it?
2:30 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah it does feel like something real
2:30 PM <•barredowl> and that means that, while the original anomaly doesn't do much, it can inspire a lot of jumping-off points
2:30 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah
2:30 PM <Greyve> Thing is tho
2:30 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan .s new job
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2:30 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan .sm 1
2:31 PM <Greyve> 682 has so many implications.
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2:31 PM <Greyve> 999, how are you supposed to explore it and expand on it?
2:31 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan see the thing I just got helen to open :3
2:31 PM <•barredowl> eh, it was a fine tale
2:31 PM because while the skip gives a baseline description and doesn't really elaborate on that, that can lead to you learning the concept, knowing what to do with it, and writing a tale, or maybe meme, about it
2:32 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah
2:32 PM i still kinda wish they'd done more with it
2:32 PM <•barredowl> i'd say it's even more of a basic, raw concept than 682 is
2:32 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah, maybe
2:32 PM <•barredowl> and yeah, 999 has a lot of stuff left to the imagination, way too much
2:33 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold I think the fact that it's a blob of jelly kind of points to the sheer raw concept that's only being focused on.
2:33 PM <red3> I don't think 999 was written with the purpose of expanding upon it. There's a lot of implications that it's just a dog, but also Jello, and the logs feel more in vein with the Office rather than anything in the SCP universe.
2:33 PM <•barredowl> yeah, maybe the reason it didn't delve into a real purpose is because maybe that was sort of the natural extension of the early wiki?
2:33 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold They didn't want to put an actual form to it, they didn't want to think about anything with it beyond it "being cute".
2:34 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah
2:34 PM <•barredowl> i think that a blob here would work a lot better than, say, a dog.
2:34 PM <red3> That's the point of the article, I feel like. Being a more casual, lolFoundation-esque SCP.
2:34 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan hm
2:34 PM <•barredowl> but at the same time, it really doesn't elaborate on that line either?
2:34 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan see, i wouldn't have initially called it lolFoundation-esque cos it doesn't meet a lot of the tropes of that?
2:34 PM but it is
2:35 PM <•barredowl> it doesn't develop much one way or the other
2:35 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah, i think it's a little too plainly neutral
2:35 PM <Penguin> I agree. I feel like a big thing is if you think: "What if this //were// a dog?" Than the whole thing falls apart
2:35 PM <red3> It doesn't have to. The point of the article isn't to think about the consequences very much, but to enjoy the surface level stuff of having a Jello dog that can cure depression.
2:35 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah, I guess.
2:35 PM <red3> It's like when you think about how Michael Scott would almost surely be homeless.
2:35 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold red3: That's very true.
2:35 PM <•barredowl> i suppose, to some extent.
2:35 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan And I think the point works but it also feels...like the surface level is too shallow?
2:35 PM <red3> Or how a ton of cartoon characters would've died fifty times over at this point.
2:36 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan Like, because narratively it's extremely one note?
2:36 PM <•barredowl> but when it became a classic, and perpetrated over and over again, idk, it really feels superficial at that moment?
2:36 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Except they still use all of that to go somewhere.
2:36 PM <•barredowl> i mean, 096 is another classic, and that one isn't shallow and is in fact sorta narratively deep?
2:36 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Michael Scott's immunity, a cartoon's invulnerability, it still serves a purpose beyond itself.
2:36 PM <red3> It's not deep as much as it is just well constructed.
2:36 PM <•barredowl> yeah, it is really one note.
2:37 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold In 999, it only serves itself.
2:37 PM <•barredowl> yeah, well-constructed, i should say.
2:37 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan 999 is I think a good example of the series 1 style
2:37 PM <red3> What purpose does a cartoon character's invulnerability serve beyond itself?
2:37 PM <Greyve> 999 I'd probably downvote today
2:37 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan I mean, usually it allows the cartoon character to like, get in whacky hijinks?
2:38 PM <red3> And 999 has the ability to cure anybody's sadness and make them happy. Is that not what happens in this article?
2:38 PM <•barredowl> there are some series 1's which are almost as simple as 999 as a base concept, but still develop beyond that?
2:38 PM SCP-091
2:38 PM <red3> I don't mean to be argumentative.
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2:38 PM <red3> Just in case I'm sounding like that.
2:38 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan ehh. it makes 682 happy sure but it doesn't really then...go anywhere with that?
2:39 PM <•barredowl> red3: i would argue that we don't see anybody's sadness being cured. 682 still returns to a grouchy motherfucker.
2:39 PM it's alright, btw.
2:39 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan Like at the end of the day: would the article be worse if it didn't have Addendum 999-B in it?
2:39 PM <red3> Exactly. Just like how a cartoon character's hijinks don't have any lasting repercussions besides things that help the joke, this doesn't really have any long-term consequences.
2:39 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan And I...think no? I don't think it's impactful enough
2:40 PM <•barredowl> i think it would. otherwise, i think it wouldn't have any particularly memorable moments to its name.
2:42 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan mm. maybe.
2:42 PM <•barredowl> i think i wouldn't like having 999-A being the send-off for the skip
2:42 PM so yeah, any concluding thoughts? do you think this conversation should be wrapped up, or is there something else y'all want to add?
2:42 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan this makes me like 2790 more than i did before
2:42 PM <red3> I've noticed that a lot of classic articles became super popular because they subverted a lot of the established canon up until that point, and people liked the style of Foundation that they portrayed.
2:42 PM <•barredowl> i think i like 2790 a little bit better now too
2:42 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold SCP-2790
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2:42 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah; i think it's an interesting subversion to have the SCP be completely not hostile and super friendly and good
2:42 PM <•barredowl> and yeah, i think to some extent 999 is a subversion on the cold, clinical foundation?
2:43 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah
2:43 PM <•barredowl> but sometimes that hurts the article, such as in the clinical tone of the piece.
2:43 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan you know, 999 would make an excellent WWS thing
2:43 PM <•Calibri_Bold> CalibriBold Ooh, yeah.
2:44 PM <•barredowl> but compared with other skips which are cute but interesting, 999 is just fairly lacking.
2:44 PM cybersqyd: i could see that working, perhaps
2:45 PM so yeah, i hope this wasn't just a 25 minute conversation just about how bad 999 is and nothing more, hope y'all got something good and interesting out of this
2:45 PM <Penguin> cybersqyd: Or a DoA article
2:45 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan Department of Abnormalities?
2:45 PM <•barredowl> Penguin: i was planning to do that sometime, actually
2:45 PM <Penguin> Yeah.
2:45 PM <•barredowl> a 999 DoA.
2:46 PM doa skip, that is
2:46 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan hmm
2:46 PM it feels tonally off for DoA?
2:46 PM since DoA is often like, a dark reflection of the Foundation?
2:46 PM <•barredowl> i was thinking about turning it into a story of manufacturing corporate happiness?
2:46 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan and like, their sins coming back to haunt them
2:46 PM <red3> There's a few dark themes that would fit DoA. Addiction is one that comes to mind.
2:46 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan yeah, perhaps that angle would work
2:47 PM <•barredowl> like in vein of actually giving DoA employees proper working conditions, they just shoot em up with 999?
2:47 PM eh.
2:47 PM <red3> That sounds a bit too modern for something like DoA. It is an interesting idea, though.
2:48 PM <•cybersqyd> morgan Yeah; I think a DoA thing that's like, focussing on foundation personnel being like, listless and adrift because they've lost 999 could be fun
2:48 PM <•barredowl> well, anyways, thanks to all of you for joining into this conversation. hope you all enjoyed it as much as i did, and hope you managed to get a word out. if you'd like, please give some feedback on how we could improve this, as i am always open for improvement.