# Pastebin 4duZxDlB 8:04:29 PM <~barredowl> http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/oria-736-009 8:04:31 PM get readin 8:08:32 PM okay, think i'm finished. 8:08:36 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Same. 8:09:18 PM I've also finished. 8:09:35 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan same 8:09:39 PM <~barredowl> so i think we should probably jump into our first impressions of the piece. 8:09:46 PM so, what's yours? 8:10:06 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I like this more than the other one 8:10:24 PM It actually attempts to tell a story 8:10:25 PM <~barredowl> i think i do, too 8:10:58 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I'm...not a fan of the way it's split over two pages? 8:11:07 PM <~barredowl> it's definitely a lot more substantial, and it's a nice extension of the memorandum groundwork set in guardianship 8:11:10 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan or well, like, split as if it was two pages 8:11:24 PM <@Calibri_Bold> cybersqyd: Yeah, that really threw me off. 8:11:24 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah there's a lot more meat on the bones of this 8:11:29 PM <~barredowl> i can see that. personally, it doesn't really affect me cause of the verisimilitude. 8:11:42 PM cause these are supposed to be internal papers, right? 8:11:47 PM ^ 8:11:49 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I think it'd have worked better for me if it was like, two tabs or something? 8:12:00 PM Well, they're actually emails, but same difference. 8:12:07 PM <~barredowl> well, yeah. 8:12:29 PM but it says copies of other documents, so maybe that means it's physical? idk. 8:12:55 PM i need to get something real quick. feel free to carry on some of the discussion w/o me for a minute. 8:12:57 PM Er, yeah, it's probably physical. If it was an email, then the "enclosed" section would be "attached". 8:13:03 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 8:13:32 PM I finished. Tbh I didn't really enjoy it, but I liked it all the same. Sort of throws around a lot of terms that I'm unfamilar. Do like how they say that while one of their operatives is lesbian, it does state that they protect their people first and traditions second. So thats nice. I didn't mind the split in document because I thought this was a digital scan of physical documents within ORIA 8:14:27 PM <~barredowl> the part about the operative made me smile a little, i'll admit. 8:15:22 PM This dips its toes into the water of global issues with the Iran-Iraq wars affecting the Foundation's control over the area, conflict within ORIA over one of their commanders being a lesbian, etc. It being from only one perspective does take the enjoyment out of it a little bit since I don't get that feeling of political conflict, but it's still enjoyable. 8:15:40 PM <~barredowl> besides that, i do like the story a lot more than what guardianship presented. 8:15:55 PM i think it's cool to think about how external politics can extend to anomalous affairs 8:16:01 PM Some bits confused me slightly, but it was a decent read 8:16:04 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 8:16:12 PM <~barredowl> i think it was a good read too 8:16:20 PM <@Calibri_Bold> +1 from me. 8:16:29 PM <~barredowl> i definitely saw a lot more potential from the format presented here than with guardianship. 8:16:37 PM DrMoned: Agreed. I feel like this would do better if it were attached to an SCP that the reader could learn about beforehand, so that they don't have to theorize about what the Project actually is while reading. 8:16:44 PM <~barredowl> what else. 8:17:00 PM hmm. 8:18:12 PM i did like the tone here. 8:18:24 PM which is fairly consistent for all the oria stuff i've read so far. 8:18:45 PM I'd +1 it for the fact that, again, it offers more insight into ORIA's mindset of what they value more as an organisation 8:19:03 PM <~barredowl> it is a good piece about the internals here. 8:19:08 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I think again I'd prefer this as part of a series than as a standalone piece 8:19:19 PM <~barredowl> i like the focus on the internals of the oria rather than the actual anomalies confronted here. 8:19:24 PM I can think of pieces about ORIA that I much prefer, but as cyber says. It is part of a series 8:19:27 PM It's a lot less restrictive than some other formats like CS, with the only real requirements being clinical tone and the occasional "Burn the heretics!" line, so that's nice. 8:19:28 PM <~barredowl> cybersqyd: it could be good as a series, i think. 8:19:51 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah, I like the idea of the ORIA format even if what I've seen of it so far feels kinda iffy 8:19:56 PM <~barredowl> like about the oria sorting their shit around and sending memorandums to each other. 8:20:10 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan barredowl, yeah; I'd love to see this as like, part 2 of a trilogy say 8:20:30 PM <~barredowl> huh. 8:21:29 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan you don't think it'd be the middle? 8:21:48 PM <~barredowl> i think it could be in the middle. 8:21:52 PM just a general huh there. 8:21:56 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan fair 8:22:14 PM http://www.scp-wiki.net/fik-ra this is one I enjoyed a lot 8:22:14 PM <@Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org DrMoned: Fik'ra (Rating: +33. Written 5 years ago By: Eskobar) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/fik-ra 8:22:20 PM <~barredowl> actually, the more i read of oria, the more i'm starting to love the formatting and tone the goi allows. 8:22:28 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 8:22:38 PM <~barredowl> i always like foundation internal politics, so this seems like my jam. 8:23:40 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan see, I like the idea of that but this feels like it doesn't quite scratch that itch purely because it's one sided? 8:23:42 PM <~barredowl> i think this is getting pretty close to parawatch in terms of enjoyment i got out of this. 8:23:48 PM yeah, a little one-sided. 8:23:52 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan but I think that's an issue with the format sort of 8:24:06 PM <~barredowl> yeah, which is the thing 8:24:10 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan (it'd be cool to have a serpent's hand style doubt section maybe) 8:24:24 PM <~barredowl> a lot of formats restrict the side a piece takes to one perspective 8:24:24 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan Like, maybe a response section at the end say? 8:24:26 PM <~barredowl> like chicago spirit. 8:24:29 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan or comments or something 8:24:37 PM <~barredowl> you don't get much of a voice for, say, the snitches in the snitch dungeon 8:24:43 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 8:24:53 PM <~barredowl> and that's very much the case in oria 8:25:02 PM but i do like oria a lot better because of the subject matter? 8:25:21 PM there is a difference between how they approach the one-sidedness, but i can't put my finger on what it is 8:25:26 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah, I think the ORIA stuff is more interesting 8:25:39 PM and I think it's because they can kinda get a touch more into the head of the other side? 8:25:54 PM Like with stuff like "I will reiterate my defense for the continued employment of Operative "Maryām," in light of the existence of a faction seeking her removal from our Organization for no good reason, so far as I can discern." 8:26:05 PM where you have like, the person explicitly responding to criticisms? 8:26:17 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it does 8:26:41 PM and while chicago spirit feels more like one guy telling something to another, oria feels a lot wider in scope? 8:26:55 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 8:27:10 PM cybersqyd: Yeah, this doesn't fall into the CS trap of ignoring the fact that people are going to disagree about the use of these anomalies and instead just saying "We kill everyone who disagrees with us, so shut up." This makes it so that they kinda have to respond to each other in a diplomatic manner. 8:27:16 PM <~barredowl> so with that wider scope you get more perspectives, and in turn more wiggle room. 8:27:26 PM OIRA seems a lot more of report style emails 8:28:16 PM <~barredowl> red3: yeah. 8:28:34 PM this is more one memorandum, so i'd really be interested in seeing the possibilities perhaps an exchange could offer? 8:28:34 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I'd love to see like, the actual responses tbh 8:28:40 PM yeah 8:28:41 PM <~barredowl> cyber: yeah 8:29:13 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan this has just convinced me that SH is the best goi format ;p 8:29:46 PM <~barredowl> perhaps 8:30:08 PM so, do you think we should wrap up with our final thoughts, or do you think we're done here? 8:30:31 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I mean, there's likely no objective best goi format; but SH has a bunch of stuff that means you get a wide variety of perspectives on stuff 8:30:41 PM the black queen stuff does that too tho which is neat 8:31:03 PM anyway yeah I don't have much to add 8:31:05 PM <~barredowl> i haven't actually checked much serpent's hand stuff outside of scattersomnia and a couple others, so idk 8:31:09 PM .s scattersomnia 8:31:10 PM <@Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org barredowl: "Scattersomnia": A Disease of the Wise and Drowsy Wanderers (Rating: +52. Written 50 days ago By: Lt Flops) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scattersomnia 8:31:18 PM <~barredowl> and that was pretty cool 8:31:20 PM Yeah serpents hand isnt something I know too much about either 8:31:22 PM FeelingGoodMan .s mother who demands toes 8:31:22 PM <~barredowl> i don't have much to add either. 8:31:23 PM <@Secretary_Helen> PircBot 1.5.0 Java IRC Bot - www.jibble.org SharpEmbrace: Karcist Halyna Ieva, or The Mother Who Demands One's Toes (Rating: +64. Written 308 days ago By: n_aepic_fael and themightymcb) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/mother-who-demands-ones-toes 8:31:44 PM I like ORIA and how their potrayed here, I just don't enjoy the amount governmental policies affect ORIA imo 8:32:56 PM This is gonna be a light upvote from me since it doesn't dive enough into the politics for my liking, but it's still good. 8:33:11 PM That feels weird to say. "I would've liked this if it had more politics". 8:33:24 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan eh, politics can be good 8:33:39 PM <~barredowl> i think it's a medium/hard upvote for me 8:33:41 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I agree with red3, actually. 8:33:42 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan I'm no-voting cos it has a lot of charm but it's a tad too dry for my tastes personally 8:33:43 PM Red and blue seem opposite here :p 8:33:44 PM <~barredowl> medium to strong. 8:33:52 PM Which is entertaining 8:34:03 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I liked the politics in this piece, and I wish it had gone farther. 8:34:13 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan yeah 8:34:19 PM <~barredowl> C_B: definitely. 8:34:22 PM it's super cool. 8:34:32 PM <+cybersqyd> morgan imo this'd be stronger if it was trimmed to about half the length and had some responses 8:34:48 PM <~barredowl> so, i kinda have an idea about how we should conclude this conversation about groups of interest. 8:34:55 PM