{"body":"11:16 AM <~barredowl> okay then. so, first impressions, y'all?\r\n11:16 AM <~barredowl> i gotta be honest, the connection to dado is kinda tenuous here\r\n11:17 AM <~barredowl> the anomaly was /made/ by dado, but beyond \"dado misunderstands customer\", there's not really anything to this dado-wise\r\n11:17 AM <~barredowl> guess that's part of the whole quirk?\r\n11:17 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:17 AM <+cybersqyd> ...idk i never really liked this one\r\n11:17 AM <+cybersqyd> the pun it's built around is like. technically amusing but it never actually lands right for me\r\n11:17 AM <~barredowl> i think i initially upvoted it in jamcon season but i've changed my mind on it.\r\n11:18 AM <~barredowl> at first it landed for me but now it just doesn't work.\r\n11:18 AM I sort of liked this, it is very amusing about dado being the most illeterate person out there but I agree that the link to him is very weak\r\n11:18 AM <%red3> This tries to operate on a kind of meta expectation, I think. The lack of any mention of dado makes it seem like they have no connection with this, but the final line is meant to be a kind of twist. That being said, this doesn't really capitalize on the point of dado in the first place and reduces them down to only one part of their personality.\r\n11:19 AM <~barredowl> yeah.\r\n11:19 AM <+cybersqyd> it's the awyc? note at the end but with dado\r\n11:19 AM <%red3> ^^^\r\n11:19 AM <%red3> Yes, exactly.\r\n11:19 AM <~barredowl> BlueJones: i can see that, but the joke for me sometimes gets a bit old if it's this surface-level\r\n11:19 AM <+cybersqyd> are we yet cool\r\n11:20 AM Its very watered down about what I intially like about dado. barredowl: Mhm, true but then we would have to argue about comedy and my comedy stems from either plain obvious jokes like this one or the SPC lol\r\n11:20 AM <+cybersqyd> it also feels kinda out of character for MC&D\r\n11:20 AM <+cybersqyd> like idk, them palming this off on dado just feels...odd?\r\n11:21 AM <%red3> The discovery log felt a bit odd since it introduced a really, really short subplot about the person's lover which is brought up and resolved in the matter of, like, two sentences.\r\n11:21 AM <~barredowl> a little yeah\r\n11:21 AM <+cybersqyd> there's no misunderstanding of who dado is so it's like \"well we wanted blow up dolls so i reached out to a drug dealer\" and it's like...why\r\n11:21 AM <~barredowl> huh i didn't even notice that.\r\n11:21 AM <+cybersqyd> of all the people in the world, you went to dado\r\n11:22 AM <~barredowl> i think my favorite part of dado articles is like, the contrast between like, dado and a comedically jarring personality\r\n11:22 AM <%red3> Well, that plot hole kind of applies to all big organizations who know who dado is. Why would you ever recruit them to make something for you which you know is probably going to have unintended consequences? It limits their character to small interactions where the person only meets dado through a friend or some other medium where they don't know much about dado.\r\n11:23 AM sqyd: That is a valid point but one could argue that the guys reached out to dado to either save money or is a well known producer for medical stuff like drugs. Then again, the link is very weak and I don't think this warrent's dado's involvement\r\n11:23 AM <~barredowl> like how a regular joe schmo comes to dado for like, viagra or something and they're real serious about it\r\n11:23 AM <~barredowl> but i don't see that contrast here like, at all. MC&D doesn't feel like, a distinct personality to contrast w/ dado here\r\n11:23 AM <+cybersqyd> red3: sure I mean it's there always to anyone who knows dado; but generally it at least makes sense? Like if you want poison pills say, reaching out to dado is kinda almost a smart idea\r\n11:24 AM <+cybersqyd> or well, maybe not so much 'smart' as 'understandable'\r\n11:25 AM <%red3> cybersqyd: I can see that, somewhat. Either way, it's going to be risky in-canon just because of the nature of dado. An organization can ask for a person to be killed, make a typo, and then suddenly that person's being grilled alive in the street.\r\n11:25 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:25 AM <%red3> barredowl: Yeah, that's true. MC&D is more of a faceless organization than anything, so there isn't any real way to bounce dado off of them and create some creative comedy.\r\n11:25 AM <~barredowl> yeah.\r\n11:26 AM <+cybersqyd> ehh; a lot of MC&D stuff does have characters so it's possible they could've done more vis a vis that\r\n11:26 AM <+cybersqyd> especially since it was like, an actual person who ordered off dado here\r\n11:26 AM <~barredowl> i mean, if \"expansive corporation vs. dado\" were more centralized into a character interaction (like maybe it's a company representative?) it /could/ be something\r\n11:26 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:28 AM <~barredowl> hmm.\r\n11:28 AM Once more, I'd say that I enjoy an obvious surface joke but I feel like the MC&D use here is sorely underplayed. If anything, we could have had like MC&D trying to take on dado with legal stuff or something, trying to blame him for customers blowing up, while dado is going \"but you ask for blow up doll, no?\"\r\n11:28 AM <~barredowl> okay, quick question: can any of this, you feel, be explained by this being a jam-con article? like, the author was in a crunch so they didn't have a lot of time to conceptualize this?\r\n11:29 AM <+cybersqyd> ehh\r\n11:29 AM <+cybersqyd> on the one hand sure; on the other, it's been like, four months since jamcon\r\n11:29 AM <%red3> Yeah, I feel like that would've been a much better direction if they took it in the direction Blue is proposing. That way, there can be more opportunities for jokes, a believable method of escalation, and an actual character for dado to talk to.\r\n11:29 AM <+cybersqyd> and like, just cos jamcon explains the weakness of an aspect of this, doesn't mean that like...the weakness goes away?\r\n11:29 AM <~barredowl> yeah.\r\n11:30 AM <~barredowl> not saying it's explained away, just explained.\r\n11:30 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:30 AM Jamcon deffo had a hand in this article but I feel like since its now over, you can just do more with it now\r\n11:30 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:31 AM <%red3> Yeah, I would say that JamCon is one of the main reasons why this was bad. The entire article was set up for this one joke, so if that joke is bad, then the entire article sinks. And while this joke works on a surface level (which is probably why so many people upvoted it during JamCon) it completely deflates upon rereading because there's nothing else to gain from it.\r\n11:32 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:32 AM <~barredowl> mhm.\r\n11:32 AM <+cybersqyd> scp-4451\r\n11:32 AM <@Secretary_Helen> cybersqyd: SCP-4451: tsar roomba by dado (Rating: +88. Written 267 days ago By: Dyslexion) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4451\r\n11:32 AM <+cybersqyd> i remember at the time feeling it was too close to ^ but it seems like it's really not\r\n11:32 AM <~barredowl> incidentally, from this same theme for jamcon2020, there was another dado article, though i don't really have intentions of covering it\r\n11:32 AM <+cybersqyd> beyond 'dado makes something which shouldn't explode but does'\r\n11:33 AM <~barredowl> sorta like that.\r\n11:34 AM <%red3> Overall, I don't think dado is a good character for a one-note joke. It's just not how they work; there has to be at least some kind of back and forth for all of their weird mannerisms to work.\r\n11:34 AM <~barredowl> oh yeah, totally. there's hints of something larger, but i don't think the \"reveal\" that this was all dado works for me..\r\n11:34 AM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n11:34 AM Of course, a lack of dado in an article is not a bad thing for a joke but it would have to be done exceptionally well\r\n11:35 AM <~barredowl> so, shall we wrap up with our final thoughts?\r\n11:35 AM <+cybersqyd> this was a downvote from me when i first read it in march and i've not really seen any reason to change my mind\r\n11:35 AM <+cybersqyd> it was a brave attempt for jamcon so respect on that ground\r\n11:36 AM <~barredowl> this initially worked for me but on reread i just feel like this was too undeveloped to warrant anything other than a downvote from me.\r\n11:36 AM i'm lightly downvoting this but if the author comes back and goes \"I can do better than this\", I will change it upone re-edit\r\n11:37 AM <%red3> This is a downvote from me, not only because I didn't find the joke funny but also because the writing itself felt very... generic. 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