{"body":"3:01 PM <~barredowl> alright, on the count of 3\n3:01 PM <~barredowl> 1\n3:01 PM <~barredowl> 2\n3:01 PM <~barredowl> 3\n3:01 PM <~barredowl> .s michael the killer\n3:01 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: I'm sorry, I couldn't find anything.\n3:01 PM <~barredowl> ...\n3:02 PM <~barredowl> .s michael the\n3:02 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: Did you mean : 1) SCP-2071: Sir Michael Cavendish, in the Guise of the King of Serpents, 2) michael the kiler, ?\n3:02 PM <~barredowl> oh fuck\n3:02 PM <~barredowl> .sm 2\n3:02 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: michael the kiler (Rating: +174. Written 89 days ago By: pastarasta1) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/michael-the-kiler\n3:02 PM <~barredowl> read time\n3:07 PM <~barredowl> alright, i've finished.\n3:07 PM <+cybersqyd> same\n3:07 PM Finished\n3:08 PM I have finished as well.\n3:08 PM <@Calibri_Bold> Done.\n3:08 PM <~barredowl> so first impressions, as always?\n3:08 PM <~barredowl> i have some... mixed feelings rereading this.\n3:09 PM <~barredowl> on the one hand, i think this is an interest premise which does have some interesting moments within it.\n3:09 PM <~barredowl> *interesting\n3:09 PM There are some funny flourishes to the stories, especially the third one, but the first two give me a bit of a headache from reading the prose. Less due to how intentionally bad it is, but how... inaccurate it feels.\n3:09 PM I for one felt like this was more compelling than the first one. Like its certainly more creepy than that one\n3:09 PM <~barredowl> i didn't really get those creepy vibes especially?\n3:09 PM <+cybersqyd> red3: inaccurate?\n3:09 PM <~barredowl> it feels like the intentionally awful prose in the killer's stories kind of dampened the impact that these murder scenes would have had otherwise.\n3:09 PM It sounds like a person that knows how to write trying really hard to appear as if they don't, instead of the other way around.\n3:10 PM <~barredowl> yeah, i see that.\n3:11 PM <~barredowl> i also think the ending could have been executed a little better?\n3:11 PM <~barredowl> it didn't really have any lasting impact for me.\n3:11 PM <~barredowl> the ending, i mean.\n3:11 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\n3:11 PM <+cybersqyd> this feels...solidly fine?\n3:11 PM <~barredowl> the rest of the story was definitely somewhat intriguing to watch played out\n3:12 PM <+cybersqyd> but it kinda feels like it doesn't escalate much?\n3:12 PM <~barredowl> but at the same time, i don't know what i would have done to fix the end\n3:12 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it doesn't escalate that much for me either\n3:12 PM Like, the way the author character being unable to spell basic words juxtaposes with their perfect use of words like \"sizzling\", \"childish\", and \"cocksucker\" makes this feel a little wonky.\n3:12 PM <+cybersqyd> like, after you get to the third instance, it's just...more of the same?\n3:12 PM <+cybersqyd> red3: yeah I get that\n3:13 PM — @Gee0765 slides in\n3:13 PM <~barredowl> which is why i'd say that the poorly written segments just didn't work to increase the potency of this creepypasta come to life killing off bullies\n3:13 PM <~barredowl> hi gee\n3:13 PM <@Gee0765> i don't like this one at all\n3:13 PM <+cybersqyd> oh?\n3:13 PM <@Calibri_Bold> mloa\n3:14 PM <@Gee0765> It just isn't scary\n3:14 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it really isn't scary or creepy\n3:14 PM <@Gee0765> it tries far too hard to be scary but misses the mark completely\n3:14 PM <~barredowl> not even in the campy horror sense\n3:14 PM There are parts where it tries to be scary and others where it tries to be funny, and they don't mesh well.\n3:14 PM <~barredowl> definitely\n3:15 PM Like, if the stories themselves went a lot deeper than just stating how Michael does a slightly disturbing action, then I feel like the responses would actually be funnier.\n3:15 PM <~barredowl> i do have a soft spot for some of the images though\n3:15 PM <~barredowl> red3: i think that would work out\n3:15 PM <+cybersqyd> the art here is really nicely done yeah\n3:16 PM The images do work in its favor, yes.\n3:16 PM <~barredowl> i like the dithering some of the images had\n3:16 PM <~barredowl> i especially liked the picture with the killer in the house\n3:16 PM <+cybersqyd> but yeah I agree about it being in an awkward spot where it's not really creepy but it's also not really not creepy?\n3:16 PM <~barredowl> the perspective in that one is really well done\n3:16 PM <@Gee0765> mmm im a fan of the art\n3:17 PM <+cybersqyd> I don't hate it but it definitely feels...kinda weak overall?\n3:17 PM <+cybersqyd> it has some bits with a lot of charm but it really lacks punch\n3:17 PM <~barredowl> yeah, weak is what i'd call this\n3:17 PM The final post has some creepy vibes with the repetition.\n3:17 PM <~barredowl> there is a lot of charm stockpiled in here\n3:17 PM <~barredowl> i didn't really get creeped out by the final message tbh\n3:17 PM <~barredowl> to jump back to the images, small touch, but i think the second-to-last image was just the right mix of slightly horrifying but also kinda laughable where it made me chuckle a little.\n3:17 PM <@Gee0765> the final message is far too reminiscent of standard creepy little girl/doll type horror\n3:18 PM <@Calibri_Bold> I wasn't under the impression this was trying to actually scare me, honestly.\n3:18 PM <~barredowl> C_B: i kinda didn't get that too.\n3:18 PM <~barredowl> i wasn't really sure what this piece wanted me to feel really\n3:18 PM <+cybersqyd> there's a point in the middle where it feels like it is a little?\n3:18 PM <+cybersqyd> Like when you realise that it's spreading amongst the forum members who're mean to it?\n3:19 PM <+cybersqyd> And you're like 'damn' and you get slight cold chills\n3:19 PM <+cybersqyd> but then...it doesn't really do anything else with it?\n3:19 PM <~barredowl> yeah, that's a nice little touch\n3:19 PM <@Gee0765> (if you're wondering why this is rated so highly it's because people wouldn't shut up about it in scpd discord)\n3:19 PM <~barredowl> but i don't think RustyLung getting captured was really that scary?\n3:19 PM <~barredowl> ah, not familiar with scpd discord\n3:19 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\n3:19 PM Gee0765: It is, but contrasted with the rest of the character's responses, it works really well.\n3:20 PM <~barredowl> RustyLung's capture was just... limp.\n3:20 PM <~barredowl> kinda fell flat.\n3:20 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\n3:20 PM <~barredowl> maybe this could have been executed a little better\n3:20 PM If it were up to me in terms of RustyLung's capture, I'd have taken some random guy from public domain sitting on a desk with Michael behind him faintly\n3:21 PM at a desk*\n3:21 PM <~barredowl> but personally, a lot of the potential here was fizzled out\n3:21 PM <~barredowl> BlueJones: maybe a pov shot? that might be a little cheesy\n3:21 PM <~barredowl> but this is stockpiled with cheese all over, so idk\n3:21 PM barredowl: I was thinking more webcam of the guy and michael in the corner just faintly\n3:22 PM behind him even\n3:22 PM <~barredowl> yeah\n3:22 PM <~barredowl> that would be sorta interesting i think?\n3:22 PM <+cybersqyd> can i just say: the colours of some of the names here are bad\n3:22 PM <+cybersqyd> specifically: im-the-one-who-has-no-guns\n3:22 PM <+cybersqyd> rastamasta and clockworkanomaly are both iffy too\n3:22 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it's a really dark blue\n3:23 PM <+cybersqyd> it's too bright imo\n3:23 PM <~barredowl> not dark, just saturated\n3:23 PM <+cybersqyd> or saturated?\n3:23 PM <~barredowl> small touch but idk\n3:23 PM <+cybersqyd> iunno, whatever it is, it needed to be less bright and more...matte? iunno colour words\n3:23 PM <~barredowl> huh\n3:23 PM <~barredowl> besides that, i think i digged this a little?\n3:24 PM <~barredowl> though not as much as i wished it could\n3:24 PM <+cybersqyd> i think it's solidly alright\n3:24 PM <+cybersqyd> like, it's not an awful piece but it's...not that good either?\n3:24 PM <~barredowl> yeah, it's suitably slightly-above-average for me\n3:24 PM I think the beginning dragged on for too long, so the transition near the end to straight horror was really abrupt.\n3:24 PM <~barredowl> i think i'll change my +1 to a -1 here, partly because so much of this could be executed better.\n3:25 PM <~barredowl> indeed, red\n3:25 PM <~barredowl> i kinda got that too.\n3:25 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\n3:25 PM I digged this only because I think of the question of \"was this real or was this an anomaly?\" other than that, it didn't really do much so.... downvote I guess? I dunno\n3:26 PM <~barredowl> i think this could definitely do with some polishing here.\n3:26 PM <+cybersqyd> i changed my +1 to a novote but it's like...\n3:26 PM <+cybersqyd> i feel like i should roget downvote it?\n3:26 PM <~barredowl> i'm roget downvoting it\n3:26 PM <~barredowl> there's just a lot of wasted potential here for me\n3:26 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah.\n3:27 PM <~barredowl> this seems like something which could do with a sort of rewrite?\n3:27 PM <~barredowl> though i'm not the author\n3:27 PM <~barredowl> so that's up to them.\n3:27 PM <+cybersqyd> I'm really not sure what I'd change to make it better tho?\n3:27 PM <+cybersqyd> Like, you could do as red3 would want and make michaels' text more compellingly inaccurate\n3:27 PM <+cybersqyd> but I personally don't think that's a huge flaw?\n3:27 PM Reading these Parawatch articles feels weird because it made me realize that this GoI is kinda... boring? Once you get past the concept of it being a creepypasta-esque group of internet conspiracy theorists, there's really nothing else of substance besides some boring horror stories. There's a ton of presentation for something with no meat.\n3:27 PM I'm not roget downvoting, I'm blue downvoting cause I enjoyed the thoughts you could have from this but the content isn't on par with how I think this would do to make me upvote\n3:28 PM <@Gee0765> is a roget downvote just downvoting because you don't want to novote\n3:28 PM Yes.\n3:28 PM <+cybersqyd> Gee0765, I use it to mean 'i'm downvoting this because i think the author can do better'\n3:28 PM <@Gee0765> parawatch exists just as a vessel for creepypastas\n3:28 PM red3: Then again, the skips about this group are some fascinating one out there\n3:28 PM <@Gee0765> that's the point\n3:28 PM <~barredowl> what i would change here is to make the prose just a bit clearer so that the bully murdering and all would shine through more.\n3:28 PM I also like the discussion aspect\n3:28 PM Yeah, so once I get past the nostalgia, I realize that the creepypastas are actually just trash.\n3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> where, it's not necessarily a statement about the quality in a vacuum where you'd novote because it's fine; but you're downvoting cos you know the specific author can write something more interesting\n3:29 PM <@Gee0765> hippo made parawatch tales so he could write creepypasta on the wiki\n3:29 PM <~barredowl> the discussion aspect of parawatch is really interesting for me\n3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\n3:29 PM <~barredowl> partly because it's like dialogue but with no excuses.\n3:29 PM I already said how I would make this creepy with the image being that more shock horror, your being watched\n3:29 PM <~barredowl> if that makes any sense.\n3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> I conceptually like the idea of there being creepypastas and I like the idea of the discussions about it\n3:29 PM <+cybersqyd> I kinda like parawatch a lot when it's not necessarily trying to be creepy or creepypasta?\n3:30 PM <+cybersqyd> See e.g, a slice of forum life or cuteness on main\n3:30 PM The dialogue drags on here a lot though\n3:30 PM <~barredowl> Sharp: definitely\n3:30 PM <~barredowl> yeah, a slice of forum life was a really good piece.\n3:30 PM 10 comments on how he's obv trolling don't really help anything\n3:30 PM <@Gee0765> ngl though tower-b is fire\n3:30 PM <~barredowl> .s tower-b\n3:30 PM <@Secretary_Helen> barredowl: Tower-B (Rating: +127. Written 272 days ago By: The Great Hippo) - http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/tower-b\n3:30 PM <~barredowl> huh\n3:31 PM Mighty Hippo knows how to make them good\n3:31 PM <~barredowl> yeah, i think parawatch is a nice, open road for versatility\n3:31 PM <~barredowl> which imo is a good sign of a great goi\n3:31 PM <+cybersqyd> I find Tower-B to be...bland?\n3:31 PM <~barredowl> which is partly why i didn't like chicago spirit so much\n3:31 PM <+cybersqyd> There's a style to the writing in it that I don't really enjoy\n3:31 PM <~barredowl> it was very constrictive\n3:32 PM Tower-B is definitely a lot more interesting than a lot of the other Parawatch stories.\n3:32 PM <~barredowl> maybe we could check that out if we ever come back to parawatch\n3:32 PM <~barredowl> but for now i think we should wrap this up\n3:32 PM <~barredowl> so, final impressions?\n3:33 PM <~barredowl> i think there was a lot of potentially interesting ideas interested here, but ultimately it fell flat for me execution-wise.\n3:33 PM <+cybersqyd> i enjoyed michael the kiler a lot less this time round :(\n3:33 PM <~barredowl> the weird mix of comedy and horror especially didn't do much justice here.\n3:33 PM <~barredowl> cybersqyd: i know :((\n3:33 PM <~barredowl> it still was nice to talk about, though\n3:33 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\n3:34 PM <+cybersqyd> and like, changing our views on stuff and better understanding what we like about them is the point :3\n3:34 PM <~barredowl> exactly!\n3:34 PM <+cybersqyd> so like, in some ways, I call this a win\n3:34 PM <~barredowl> i think when i first upvoted this i kinda had a knee-jerk reaction to the idea and not so much the execution\n3:34 PM <~barredowl> i guess i attributed most of the lackluster prose here to my skimming of texts\n3:35 PM Good ideas, needs more polish. Also enjoying these discussions cause it helps me understand more things than when I first read through it\n3:35 PM <~barredowl> exactly, i think that's mostly the point here.\n3:36 PM <~barredowl> so do you think i should copy/paste the log here, since we're mostly finished?\n3:36 PM I think so.\n3:36 PM <~barredowl> alright, then.","name":"","extension":"txt","url":"https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/kaUDJVk6","modified":1588448256,"id":"kaUDJVk6","size":14184,"lines":186,"own_paste":false,"theme":"","date":1588448256}