{"body":"12:19 PM <+cybersqyd> so first impressions?\r\n12:19 PM <~barredowl> yeah\r\n12:19 PM Tbh idk about this. Its certainly interesting but idk if im missing anything that explains why this is a thing\r\n12:19 PM <~barredowl> sorry, lagged out\r\n12:20 PM <~barredowl> i thought this article did a very good job with justifying its petite length\r\n12:20 PM <~barredowl> so\r\n12:20 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah, it really does a good job of setting up a really big mystery vibe\r\n12:20 PM <+cybersqyd> but does less of a good job of offering closure?\r\n12:20 PM <~barredowl> i don't think there really was much bloat here.\r\n12:20 PM <~barredowl> seemed like a very straightforward article.\r\n12:20 PM <~barredowl> short and to the point.\r\n12:21 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n12:21 PM <+cybersqyd> it kinda...feels weird when you think about it?\r\n12:21 PM <~barredowl> and i think for these kinds of things it's usually based on the concept\r\n12:21 PM <+cybersqyd> like...idk how nobody noticed it sooner?\r\n12:21 PM <~barredowl> and the rest of the article is predicated on that\r\n12:22 PM <~barredowl> i think it's a very delightfully specific area of horror to focus on, how many orifices your body has\r\n12:22 PM So could someone give me the rundown on this as i seem to be missing out on something big here\r\n12:22 PM <~barredowl> oops cut out\r\n12:22 PM <+cybersqyd> BlueJones, what do you think you're missing?\r\n12:22 PM <~barredowl> i think what this is implying is that there's some force that doesn't want anybody to find it\r\n12:23 PM <~barredowl> like something in the human body\r\n12:23 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n12:23 PM <~barredowl> and searching for orifices is how that thing is found\r\n12:23 PM <+cybersqyd> ventricle and cerebral cortex implies it may be...piloting humans?\r\n12:23 PM <~barredowl> > It was as if these individuals possessed two small, foreign objects within their bodies and, sometime before, during, or after their deaths; they had been forcefully removed.\r\n12:23 PM Idk i just dont get it, like its just a scientific disagreement to me but from what im getting from you guys is that there is a whole thing im missing here\r\n12:24 PM <+cybersqyd> Well, the implication is that the disagreement exists cos one side is hiding it's existence\r\n12:24 PM <+cybersqyd> like, there's two extra bits of the human body that are being removed\r\n12:25 PM <~barredowl> hmm\r\n12:25 PM <~barredowl> i don't really have many bones to pick with this one\r\n12:26 PM I see. I guess I'm just not seeing the intrigue with this\r\n12:26 PM <+cybersqyd> i think they're being removed here rather than like, removing themselves\r\n12:26 PM <~barredowl> i think there's a lot of substance here honestly\r\n12:26 PM <+cybersqyd> BlueJones, yeah, the intrigue is almost entirely predicated on you wondering why this is the case\r\n12:26 PM <+cybersqyd> and...I think my issue here is it doesn't quite hint at why it's the case in a satisfying way?\r\n12:27 PM <~barredowl> i can see that\r\n12:28 PM <~barredowl> i do get some interest over the kinda briefly mentioned \"substantial disagreement\" here\r\n12:28 PM <~barredowl> there's a lot of small tidbits which really draw me to this piece.\r\n12:28 PM cybersqyd: hmmm, yeah. Honestly I'm surprised that you guys are getting a way more thought provoking sense from this than I am. So uh... I guess I'll novote simply cause I'm not seeing the big picture beyond scientific disagreement\r\n12:29 PM <+cybersqyd> I mean the big picture is that it implies everyone has these extra holes\r\n12:29 PM <+cybersqyd> and in turn, that something inside them is being removed from every dead person\r\n12:29 PM <+cybersqyd> and in turn, that there's an organisation who can do that without anyone knowing\r\n12:29 PM <~barredowl> or that there's just some entity which does that\r\n12:29 PM <~barredowl> yeah\r\n12:30 PM <+cybersqyd> it's possible they're self-removing but the reference to surgical scars implies something more precise\r\n12:30 PM <~barredowl> this is kinda a short article so i don't know what much else to talk about\r\n12:30 PM <~barredowl> other than i think this is a strangely substantial piece considering its length\r\n12:30 PM <~barredowl> and that it does a lot with a little\r\n12:31 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah; I think it just needs a touch more to explain why this happens\r\n12:31 PM <+cybersqyd> not like, in a conclusive way but just, enough that we can really begin to speculate on it?\r\n12:31 PM <~barredowl> i think it's pretty alright with what it does\r\n12:32 PM <~barredowl> this definitely has a lot of speculation potential\r\n12:32 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah but i think it squanders it a little in places by not giving direction?\r\n12:33 PM <+cybersqyd> it feels like it's setting up a chain of fridge logic but that there's not quite enough to reach the chilling truth\r\n12:33 PM <+cybersqyd> but *shrugs* that's just my personal feeling here.\r\n12:33 PM <~barredowl> yeah the fridge logic quite isn't there\r\n12:33 PM <~barredowl> it could be stronger but in this regard i'd say it's strong enough\r\n12:33 PM <+cybersqyd> i'm...tentative.\r\n12:33 PM Its certainly a bit hard for someone like me to see and draw up my own conclusions based on what is written so mayhaps it could have done with a bit more detail\r\n12:33 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n12:35 PM <~barredowl> hrmm\r\n12:35 PM <+cybersqyd> hm. the right ventricle instead of the left ventricle is odd here; it implies that it's interfering in the pulmonary system and the brain; so...controlling the flow of oxygen maybe?\r\n12:36 PM <~barredowl> yeah this is certainly an interesting one\r\n12:36 PM <+cybersqyd> yeah\r\n12:36 PM <+cybersqyd> Does anyone else have opinions?\r\n12:37 PM <+cybersqyd> (red3: do you want to talk about this one a little?)\r\n12:37 PM <~barredowl> i think for now it's gonna be a pretty confident upvote from me. it's a lot more substantial than 4862 and a little bit more interesting.\r\n12:37 PM Nope, I've got none from me. As I said, I'm novoting cause I simply didn't get the point of it during the first read\r\n12:38 PM <~barredowl> yeah i'm kinda drawing a blank for now\r\n12:38 PM Uh... I don't have much to say about this. There's not much else to it besides the creepy factor.\r\n12:39 PM <+cybersqyd> fair\r\n12:39 PM Besides the vagina debacle which was pretty interesting, but it wasn't that big.\r\n12:39 PM <+cybersqyd> out of curiosity: do you have an explanation for what's happening?\r\n12:40 PM <+cybersqyd> i'm not asking you to give it or anything, just curious if it does exist\r\n12:41 PM <~barredowl> iirc the birth canal isn't like, a through hole but moreso a blind hole but i am unknowledgeable\r\n12:41 PM Yes, there is a definite explanation. I am going to say that it's a lot more obvious than 4862, but it's mainly connected to how the things removed... relate(?) to the body parts. Like...\r\n12:41 PM > and allow direct access to the right ventricle and cerebral cortex, respectively.\r\n12:42 PM These objects are present in the heart and a sector of the brain responsible for a lot of human-related activity: speech, memory, interpretation of facts, etc.\r\n12:42 PM > and, sometime before, during, or after their deaths; they had been forcefully removed.\r\n12:42 PM Also note the use of \"foreign bodies\" instead of just \"bodies\".\r\n12:44 PM <~barredowl> yeah\r\n12:46 PM <~barredowl> so overall, i'm not really sure what i specifically would do to improve this article\r\n12:46 PM <~barredowl> i do think it's really good, though\r\n12:49 PM <~barredowl> so i think that wraps things up\r\n","name":"SCP-4019","extension":"txt","url":"https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DJMgmIQf/SCP-4019","modified":1589399420,"id":"DJMgmIQf","size":7582,"lines":85,"own_paste":false,"theme":"","date":1589399420}