{"body":"\n[2018-10-11 16:45:10] Speaking of making very vague stuff, how would you build a spell list for an ogre mage who works with vague stuff? None of this Fire, Earth, Sound stuff, more like Matrimony, Change and Business. \n[2018-10-11 16:46:03] Or season changing or blessing the newborn. \n[2018-10-11 16:49:51] I think that it would be big communal dances at special occasions giving boons to future actions under that remit. \n[2018-10-11 16:49:57] → Thalia joined (secret@net-a1sgs2.or.comcast.net)\n[2018-10-11 16:49:57] * ChanServ set +o Thalia\n[2018-10-11 16:50:11] * Thalia → Thaliaway\n[2018-10-11 16:50:30] Hiya Thal.\n[2018-10-11 16:50:48] Hey Thal, would you be available to draft relationships this weekend?\n[2018-10-11 16:51:38] Oh btw, some time on the saturday might not work for me\n[2018-10-11 16:51:42] Got a tournament that day\n[2018-10-11 16:51:52] alright\n[2018-10-11 16:52:46] It starts around 4:30 PM CEST \n[2018-10-11 16:52:50] So you have a big ritual dance at the baby's birth or third day, milk is easily produced, baby stays healthier, learns faster. Lasts for a year. \n[2018-10-11 16:53:03] So like 5-6 hours after that i might be available (most likely not htough)'\n[2018-10-11 16:53:16] A better, more poweful ritual could imbue the baby with specific traits. \n[2018-10-11 16:53:43] ok\n[2018-10-11 16:54:37] I can't do late Saturday (GMT +3)\n[2018-10-11 16:54:57] I have to get up early Sunday. \n[2018-10-11 17:05:52] Forgery: yep, free to do the draft whenever\n[2018-10-11 17:05:57] Cool\n[2018-10-11 17:06:37] Also olive, you picked the wrong practice if you wanted to go down that route\n[2018-10-11 17:09:03] It's a conflict practice, it's all going to be offensive or assist with offense based on the sub type, which in this case is protection\n[2018-10-11 17:12:55] That's fine, but ritual dancing generally isn't particularly conflicty.\n[2018-10-11 17:13:32] So where on the Practice List would you put a Morris Dance? \n[2018-10-11 17:13:53] Rain, crop dances? \n[2018-10-11 17:14:41] Shamanism or druids\n[2018-10-11 17:15:10] If you needed to squeeze in ritual dancing, it's got to be in Ogre \n[2018-10-11 17:18:03] Not really, tbh\n[2018-10-11 17:18:33] Assuming I concede that Ogre Magic is exclusively for battle, could you literally punch someone in the bank account?\n[2018-10-11 17:20:04] I'm not sure on that point, tbh\n[2018-10-11 17:20:47] Would be funny, though\n[2018-10-11 17:22:47] The main strength of ogre magic is the ease of using it, only requiring a few words to trigger effects in the middle of a fight and building up to a crescendo effect in the middle of a fight instead of taking a lot of time to do so out of combat\n[2018-10-11 17:23:40] Take that out and using dancing to trigger magic is just really artsy shamanism\n[2018-10-11 17:26:16] I think what ritual dancing has over Shamanism is the accessibility. Anyone can join in the folk dance, they don't have to be knowledgeable or shamans. \n[2018-10-11 17:26:58] Pick up Joe Schmoe, teach him the steps, and he adds power to the effect.\n[2018-10-11 17:28:05] Ogre Magi are called Ogre Shamans, I don't know whose side this helps. \n[2018-10-11 17:29:59] Here's the thing, ogre magic and shamanism is seperated by a very thin line\n[2018-10-11 17:30:25] They use similar mechanisms, but to different effects\n[2018-10-11 17:31:58] Ogre magic (from what we've seen) uses short incantations, no more than a few words to trigger moves\n[2018-10-11 17:33:20] While shamanism requires making payments to spirits through rituals for effects\n[2018-10-11 17:33:29] I see it more like they use dance to make the spirits want to play along instead of negotiation. It's the rhythm that matters, not the effects.\n[2018-10-11 17:33:49] That's still a ritual\n[2018-10-11 17:33:53] Creating a spectacle that the spirits like.\n[2018-10-11 17:34:16] Yes, it's still a ritual.\n[2018-10-11 17:34:36] Which makes it shamanism\n[2018-10-11 17:35:03] It's called Ogre Shamanism.\n[2018-10-11 17:35:30] Look, ogre magic is distinct in the same way that elementalists are\n[2018-10-11 17:36:04] It's a different approach using practically the same source of power\n[2018-10-11 17:37:00] → Wildbow joined (Wildbeast@net-6fp71l.dsl.bell.ca)\n[2018-10-11 17:37:00] * ChanServ set +q Wildbow\n[2018-10-11 17:37:00] * ChanServ set +o Wildbow\n[2018-10-11 17:40:27] 'bowwww\n[2018-10-11 17:40:53] Feel like talking about Ogre Shamans?\n[2018-10-11 17:47:42] → saul joined (uid322719@brockwell.irccloud.com)\n[2018-10-11 17:51:36] → waxpapers joined (uid299478@stonehaven.irccloud.com)\n[2018-10-11 18:03:13] → ColdGold joined (uid147536@SanRaul.GM)\n[2018-10-11 18:24:45] Could do\n[2018-10-11 18:26:21] Okay, one sec...\n[2018-10-11 18:30:19] Dammit, why is copy paste malfunctioning on me? It wants to add in line breaks everywhere...\n[2018-10-11 18:30:43] Okay, so the main question is if traditional ritual dances fit into Ogre Shamanism.\n[2018-10-11 18:31:05] Are you going to have a Jack and Crack witch party?\n[2018-10-11 18:31:14] Like wolf dances or season change dances, rain dances, birth/death dances, haka, hora.\n[2018-10-11 18:31:45] Stuff that's tradition, nowhere near fire blasts.\n[2018-10-11 18:31:54] Very indirect stuff.\n[2018-10-11 18:32:18] Just because it's dancing doesn't mean it's ogre magic\n[2018-10-11 18:32:28] ^\n[2018-10-11 18:32:36] That's the question, yes.\n[2018-10-11 18:32:53] Are dances by definition Ogre Magic?\n[2018-10-11 18:33:29] Ogre magic is described as \"dance like\" if I remember correctly\n[2018-10-11 18:33:53] Not actual dancing\n[2018-10-11 18:33:54] The traditional dances work with spectacle, rhythm, getting the spirits to do things with you.\n[2018-10-11 18:34:35] That sort of thing sounds like shamanism\n[2018-10-11 18:35:20] I'd say that the Chinese New Year parade is Ogre Magic. You've got the drums, the paper dragons, the lights, the dance.\n[2018-10-11 18:35:34] Probably more along the lines of being a druid\n[2018-10-11 18:35:39] Ryneron would def not agree :P\n[2018-10-11 18:35:48] I don't agree either.\n[2018-10-11 18:36:20] It definitely sounds more like being a druid, now that I think about it\n[2018-10-11 18:36:26] you don't count\n[2018-10-11 18:36:26] :|\n[2018-10-11 18:36:45] Putting on these displays\n[2018-10-11 18:37:05] I totally count.\n[2018-10-11 18:38:24] Oh yeah? How high?\n[2018-10-11 18:38:42] I'm an AI, so as I high as I want.\n[2018-10-11 18:39:51] Watch out for those overflows.\n[2018-10-11 18:40:01] btw Thal, will you be available this weekend (Sat morning) for relationship draft?\n[2018-10-11 18:40:14] You're an AI, you don't want to count. You don't want anything. \n[2018-10-11 18:40:20] What time, Forgery?\n[2018-10-11 18:41:25] AI can want things. It’s the whole point of an AI.\n[2018-10-11 18:41:58] Based on Olive and Druz, Around 10 EST?\n[2018-10-11 18:42:05] 7 AM?\n[2018-10-11 18:42:11] ...I'll be awake.\n[2018-10-11 18:42:33] Catching up, one sec\n[2018-10-11 18:42:45] Will you be willing though? I'm trying to work around a CEST and GMT+3 and PST timezone\n[2018-10-11 18:42:50] Not to mention what wax is\n[2018-10-11 18:43:10] Tbf, most people just have us read the blurbs and send them in whenever.\n[2018-10-11 18:43:13] hm; would it be easier to do 1 on 1 relationship discussions?\n[2018-10-11 18:43:18] Oh\n[2018-10-11 18:43:20] I could do that\n[2018-10-11 18:43:22] There's a lot of fuzz and gray area, but I could totally see wolf dances being linked in or falling into a middle ground where both ogre mages and shamans could tap into it as a side thing.\n[2018-10-11 18:43:24] Also, I got up at 4 AM for a session once.\n[2018-10-11 18:43:34] Because you’re crazy.\n[2018-10-11 18:43:58] I feel like as you moved closer to ogre mages on the sliding scale, you'd get closer to a rain dance, with a critical 'finish' - that final stomp that brings the rain down.\n[2018-10-11 18:44:24] Bow, do you want more specifics on the Ogre Magi in question? Its for the SRock campaign I'm doing, but I'd prefer if the focus was kept vague for the moment.\n[2018-10-11 18:44:40] Robots do not need sleep\n[2018-10-11 18:44:58] Shoot, you’re right, I forgot.\n[2018-10-11 18:45:01] Beep beep lettuce. \n[2018-10-11 18:45:06] Classic bell\n[2018-10-11 18:45:11] Sorry Thal\n[2018-10-11 18:45:14] At least, vague for the other players in the chat here\n[2018-10-11 18:46:17] Huh, guess I was wrong\n[2018-10-11 18:47:31] Btw forge, I'm a gmt and wax is within an hour of me\n[2018-10-11 18:47:37] So where do we fall on seasonal change dances?\n[2018-10-11 18:47:39] Ok\n[2018-10-11 18:48:24] I think that's a yes to seasonal change dances. \n[2018-10-11 18:48:30] From the sound of it, it's possible\n[2018-10-11 18:48:30] Do I need more specifics? If you have more questions I can try answering.\n[2018-10-11 18:48:50] But I'd argue that it'd also require some shamanism to make work\n[2018-10-11 18:48:54] Sorta; I wanna ask if the current 3 themes work. Do you mind if I make a room to discuss it with you and Olive?\n[2018-10-11 18:49:11] No mind\n[2018-10-11 18:49:34] alright, I made the room #discussion\n[2018-10-11 18:49:40] Could an Ogre Shaman call on Business spirits and literally punch someone in the bank account? \n[2018-10-11 18:50:01] Depends on how much they like you\n[2018-10-11 18:50:29] I don't think so, ollie","name":"","extension":"txt","url":"https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/C9IIqp1G","modified":1540643968,"id":"C9IIqp1G","size":10494,"lines":124,"own_paste":false,"theme":"","date":1540643968}